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  • ID: I27198
  • Name: Roger de Lancaster 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Residence: Barton & Patterdale
  • Note: 3

    Of Barton and Patterdale. He was Baron William's half-brother and had by his gift some of the lands of his father. In this case half-brother meant illegitimate, so he was not in line to inherit the Barony. He did, however, wear the same arms as his father. This line of the de Lancaster family also held, at various times, the manors of Deepdale, Glencoyne, Howgill and "Knoksalcok."
    1283. Roger de Lancastre held the moiety of Bannandisdale of William de Lyndeseye [his brother-in-law and heir of William III] for 2s. rent; Roger the marshall held le Holmes for 2d. rent - Lancashire Inquisitions.
    Sir Roger de Lancaster witnessed a grant by "the lord G, Prior of Lancaster" to his brother, William, to have a chapel on his manor of Ashton, for which he paid the church an annual rent of 12 pence. - from "Materials for the History of the Church of Lancaster."
    Roger married Margaret de Brus of Skelton, one of sisters and coheirs of Peter de Brus the elder, by whom he inherited the manor of Rydal and Loughrigg [and Ulverston].
    "The Manor anciently belonged to the Family of Lancaster, to whom it descended from the Brus's of Skelton, by the marriage of Margaret de Brus, one of the Coheirs of Peter de Brus, with Roger de Lancaster; for he & Edward I procured a Grant and Confirmation of the Forest of Ridal, which his Wife had before made overto him, which proves 'twas her Inheritance. From the Family of Lancaster it passed to that of Plaiz by the female Heir in 8 Edward III []. And from them by the Howards to the Flemmings in the Reign of King Henry IV." from - "Magna Britannica et Hibernia" by Thomas Cox, 1731.
    I assume Margaret was the sister of Agnes de Brus, his brother William's wife. This grant was confirmed by a grant from Edward I. It is also said that Roger inherited the Rydal manor upon his brother's death. Does that mean of William de Lancaster or Peter de Brus the younger?

    Rydal is in the Lakes district of Westmorland, now Cumbria. The present house is Rydal New Hall. Rydal Old Hall stood on a mound on the west side of the Ambleside road, about a mile south of the present hall. It was a small and easily defended site rising above marshy ground. The foundations of the house and the causeway leading to it can still be made out.
    1258. "Robert de Vieuxpont, Walter de Lindesay [his brother-in-law], Roger de Lancaster, and William de Forness; all the marchers of Northumberland, Cumberland, Westmorland, Copeland, Cartmel, Kentdale and other lordships and liberties were commanded to come with the multitude of footmen and archers - from the Close Roll, 42 Henry III
    He second married Philippa de Bolebec sometime before 23 October 1262. She was the daughter of Sir Hugh de Bolebec. Because Roger's eldest son, John, inherited the East Ham estates that came into the family with Philippa, I'm assuming that all of the children below are hers.
    "Roger de Lancaster de Rydal" held the post of Sheriff of Lancaster from 1265 to 1267. He was listed as a Sheriff, "known to be living near Lancaster," in 1265 - from "Time-Honored Lancaster."
    Roger died before 22 February 1291 in the 19th year of the reign of Edward I [1291]. Philippa died in 1294 holding East Ham manor in chief for 1/4 knights fee. Apparently the Lawrence family claims a descent from Sir Roger via an otherwise unknown son, Thomas Lawrence de Lancaster. Sir Roger's children were,
    (8) Sir John de Lancaster (c1260)
    (8) Roger de Lancaster (c1260)
    (8) Christopher de Lancaster (c1260)
    (8) Sir William de Lancaster (c1260)
    (8) Simon de Lancaster (c1260)
  • _UID: 9AC1F4CF31E04801AF973D6B9B9D18792F99
  • Change Date: 29 MAR 2008



    Father: Gilbert FitzReinfride
    Mother: Mistress of Gilbert FitzReinfride

    Marriage 1 Phillippa de Bolebec
    • Married:
    Children
    1. Has Children Jane de Lancaster
    2. Has Children William de Lancaster
    3. Has Children Christopher de Lancaster

    Sources:
    1. Type: Web Site
      Author: Ronald Gene Custer
      URL: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ron_custer&id=I41638
    2. Type: Book
      Periodical: The Irish And Anglo-Irish Landed Gentry, When Cromwell Came to Ireland
    3. Text: Steve Hissem
      Lancaster of Rydal
      http://balder.prohosting.com/shissem/Hissem_Lancaster.html
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