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  • ID: I36956
  • Name: Margery de Clifford
  • Sex: F
  • LVG: ABT 1275
  • Note: 1

    Heiress of Lillingstone.
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    I haven't seen any definite proof that Hugh Clifford, in "The House of Clifford", was right in placing Margery as a daughter of John de Clifford of Frampton on Severn, but it does seem to fit the evidence. However, as the will shows, Hugh Clifford misinterpreted the record by making Margery Hereward the mother of Margery Clifford - in fact, she was Margery Clifford's granddaughter.[?]
    On the Cliffords of Frampton, there is an account in the Victoria County History of Gloucestershire, vol.10, p.144 (Frampton on Severn). This account says that John de Clifford was "said to have ... died in 1299" [citing Atkyns, Glos. 439-40, followed by Rudder, Glos. 452, and referring to other pedigrees, "none of them satisfactory at all points", at Frampton Court (copy in Glos. R.O., calendar of D149) and Fosbrooke, Glos. i 327; Misc. Gen. et Her. (5th ser.) v 313-15; G. Oliver, Cliffordiana]. VCH cites evidence that a John de Clifford was lord of Frampton in 1276 and 1288, but seems to have been succeeded by his son Richard by 1294. "By 1303 a life interest in the reversion of the manor [of Frampton], of which 1/3 belonged to John's widow Margery as dower, had been conveyed to Robert FitzPain and his wife Isabel, and in that year, to provide maintenance for himself and his wife Sarah, education for his son, and portions for his daughters, Richard de Clifford conveyed all his interest in the manor to Thomas of Berkeley" [Glos. R.O. D149/L2].
    At any rate, this seems consistent with the description of the the brother of Margery, widow of Nicholas de Criol, as Richard de Clifford, son and heir of John de Clifford, in 1313. (Chris Phillips)
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    Another posting from Chris Phillips:
    ?According to the VCH account, Lillingstone Lovell had been held by a William Clifford as early as 1131. Therefore it seems that Hugh Clifford, in "The House of Clifford" is not only wrong in its detailed reconstruction, but in attaching these Cliffords to the Frampton-of-Severn family, has picked the wrong family altogether, because he says that the first of the Frampton family to assume the name Clifford was Walter (1127-1187).?
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    In 1255 Margaret Dansey, then known as Clifford, held wood and assart in Lillingstone Lovell (detached part of Oxon in Bucks). Margaret?s estate was previously in the possession of Hugh de St Martin, who died in about 1247.
    Luffield Priory held half a virgate of Margaret Dansey in 1279.
    The Lovell family, from whom the parish subsequently took its name, acquired a portion of Margaret Dansey?s estate by marriage in the early 14th century. They appear to have been a cadet branch of the Lovells of Minster Lovell in Oxfordshire and Titchmarsh in Northamptonshire. Unlike their more illustrious relatives, however, they died out in the male line during the 14th century, the memory of their lordship in the parish kept alive by the adoption of their name.
    (http://www.le.ac.uk/elh/whittlewood/Llovell.htm)
  • _UID: 3CD0929871AF4873AB3DB273B366D0CAD126
  • Change Date: 30 APR 2011



    Marriage 1 Peter Or Nicholas Dansey
    • Married: 1255 - 1260 2 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Margery Dansey

    Sources:
    1. Type: Gedcom File
      Title: Jim Weber
      URL: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jweber
    2. Type: Book
      Periodical: Victoria County History of Northamptonshire
      Page: Bef 1260
    3. Text: Whittlewood Project
      http://www.le.ac.uk/elh/whittlewood/Llovell.htm
      Page: Called Clifford in 1255
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