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  • ID: I5102
  • Name: Roger de Cheyne
  • Sex: M
  • Residence: Shropshire 1
  • Note:

    A quick glance at AR would lead one to concluded that it is still accepted that Sir Ralph Lingen, M.P. 1374, 1382, married a Margery de Pembrugge, daughter of Fulke de Pembrugge and Matilda, but that the Isabel Lingen who married three times, including to Sir John Ludlow, was not their daughter.
    Actually, there is no reason to believe a Margery de Pembrugge ever existed. The Ralph Lingen in question married a Margery Cheyne, and they were the parents of the Isabel Lingen in question.
    The relevant text in the article by Hansen appears on pages 65 - 68, and the footnotes for this text are on pages 119 - 122.
    The history of our knowledge of this line appears to be as follows. It has been known all along that the wife of this Sir Ralph Lingen was named Margeria. A published chart, for compactness, had her listed below a Pembrugge family. A misreading of this chart led to the conclusion she was a member of this family. Hansen found that she could not be a member of the Pembrugge family. The journal editor, upon seeing his article, found evidence what family she really belonged to.
    Portions of Hansen's footnote 694 on pages 121-2 are worth quoting: "the Editor called my attention to an entry in Wrottesley, Pedigrees, note 632, 13:34 (1897). This reference, citing De Banco, Mich. 3 Richard II [1379], Shropshire, records that Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and Marjory, his wife, and Laurence Hauberk and Margaret, his wife, sued Richard, Earl of Arundel for the manor of Bukenhulle. The annexed pedigree shows Roger de Cheyne, living 2 Edward III [1328/9], husband of Margery, by whom he was father of Roger, who married Isolda, by whom he was father of Marjory, wife of Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and of Margaret, wife of Laurence Hauberk. As Ralph Lyngane, named as M.P. of co. Hereford in 1373, was son of John, and as the wife of his son Ralph is known to be Jane, daughter of John Russell, Morris, note 612, 4:319, it is clear that Marjory, daughter of Roger and Isolda de Cheyne, is the same person as Margeria wife of Ralph Lyngane and mother of Isabel."
    It would appear that all references to "Marjory de Pembrugge" as the mother of children of Ralph Lingen should be reinterpreted as referring to Marjory de Cheyne.
    [posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 3/10/2002 Paul Davis]
  • _UID: 54E147B2335A47D588D37278A6C64A4D1FB4
  • Change Date: 21 NOV 2006

    Father: Roger de Cheyne
    Mother: Margery

    Marriage 1 Isolde
    • Married:
    1. Has Children Marjory Cheney b: ABT 1345
    2. Has Children Margaret Cheney

    1. Type: Book
      Periodical: The History of Parliament
      Author: J S Roskell
      Page: Hugh Calvely
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