Name: John CAVE
Given Name: John
Change Date: 13 MAY 2009
Notes from CAVE Msg Board by Jim Cave:
Birth: 6 FEB 1644 in Misterton, Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom
Death: 1721 in Marlborough Twp, Stafford, Virginia, United States
LDS Baptism: 27 DEC 2002 Temple: MADRI
Endowment: 22 MAY 2003 Temple: SLAKE
Sealing Child: 23 JUL 2003 Temple: SLAKE
John Cave, carpenter of King and Queen County, owned land in Stafford County and died there in 1720 or 1721. Further, that he had sons John Jr. and David: That John Jr. died without heirs before 1748. That the mother of these sons was a daughter of George Andrews which George owned lots in Marlborough Town, Stafford County. There is also some basis for believing that William Cave (d.1742) of Stafford Co. was also a son of John Cave since David Cave released the land that had reverted to him after John Jr. died, to Keene Withers who was married to William Cave's daughter. Her father William had died before the land transfer in 1748.
Record 1: 1707/08/05 John Cave StaffordJohn Cave of King and Queen Co., a carpenter of King and Queen County, buys from Sampson Darrell, of Glocester Co., 300 acres of land in Stafford Co. lying and being on the south side of Potomack Creek and bounded as follows: Northerly in Potomack Creek, Easterly with the lands of John Gorvey, Thomas Gregg, Wm. Waught, Southerly and westerly with the lands of Giles Travers; the said 300 acres of land being the one half of 600 acres sold by Capt. Wm Heaberd to Capt. John Norgrove by deed dated the 6th day of March 1667.Stafford Co. Deed Book Z, p384 Darrell release to Cave recorded 8 Oct 1707.
Record 2: 1721 John Cave Stafford...John Cave's will was dated August 6, 1714 and proved in 1721 at Stafford County Court; it was recorded in now lost Will Book ...K..., page 2. He devised 200 acres of land on Axton's Run and adjoining the property of John Gowry and Giles Travers to his son John Cave but he ...died so that the above mentioned land fell and reverted to... David Cave of Orange County who was joined by his wife Sarah in conveying the said property to Keene Withers of Hamilton Parish, Prince William County, on September 12, 1748....Quote above from ...The Register of Overwharton Parish... by George H. S. KingNote: Keene Withers was the husband of Elizabeth Cave, only surviving child of William Cave dec'd. William may have been next in line after John Jr., to inherit John 's (d.1721) land so David passed it on to William Cave's next of kin.
Record 3: The following from the papers of Mrs. Dorothy Brown Thompson:Deed of Lease and Release dated 12 & 13 Sept. 1748 from David Cave & Sarah, His wife of St. Thos. Parish, Orange ,to Cain Withers of Hamilton Parish, Prince William Co.-...Whereas John Cave of Stafford Co. dec'd. did by his last will and testament dated 6 Aug. 1714 give and bequeath to his son John Cave 200 acres of land lying and being in Stafford County in Overwharton Parish bounding upon Axton's Run and upon the lands of John Gore and upon the lands of Giles Travers and the sd John Cave, son of the testator John, died so that the above mentioned land fell and reverted to the said David Cave party to these presents...Wit: John Hamilton, Charles Waller, Anthony MurrayRecorded Stafford Court 13 Sept. 1748...
Record 4: 1737/07/27 John Cave StaffordJohn Cave sells 3 lots in Marlborough town, Stafford Co to John Mercer. This transaction is recorded in John Mercer's Land Book as follows: ...This indenture made the twenty seventh day of July in the year of our Lord God one thousand seven hundred and thirty seven between John Cave of the county of Orange of the one part and John Mercer of the county of Stafford of the other part witnesseth that the said John Cave for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings sterling to him in hand paid by the said John Mercer the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged, hath granted bargained and sold and by these present doth grant bargain and sell unto the said John Mercer all that and those three lots or half acres of land suitable lying and being in Marlboroughtown in the said county of Stafford known and distinguished in the platt and survey of the said town made by Theodorick Bland surveyor of the said county and recorded among the records of the said county by the numbers (8), (9) and (11) which were made over and conveyed by Matthew Thompson and John Withers gent. Feoffees of the said town to George Andrews grandfather of the said John Cave whose heir the said John Cave is. ...In witness whereof the said John Cave hath hereunto set his hand and seal the day month and year first above written.s/ John CaveSealed and delivered in presence of us.The above mentioned five shillings sterling being first paid.Thomas StaineRawleigh ChinnWilliam CaveJames MercerAt Above held for Stafford County te 13th 7ber 1737 the within lease from John Cave to John Mercer was proved by the oathes of William Cave and Rawleigh Chinn two of the subscribing witnesses thereto and admitted to record.Test. H. Taylor...In addition to John Jr., William and David mentioned above as possible sons of John Cave and __?__Andrews, there were other contemporaries in Stafford, Spotsylvania and later Orange and Culpeper Counties who may also have been sons. There were Benjamin, Robert, Thomas and Joseph. David, Benjamin and Robert in particular were closely associated with one another in the public records between 1720 and 1750 and gave sons these names. For example, David named sons David, Benjamin, Robert, Joseph and probably John: Benjamin named sons Benjamin, John, William, and David: Robert named sons Robert, John and William.In considering Benjamin who was to become Burgess from Orange County, as a son of John Cave, one must reject the once widely held premise that Benjamin was the immigrant ancestor. For many years a chart assembled by an English genealogist named Tyrrell was accepted as truth. This chart showed Benjamin as the immigrant son of Rev. William Cave of Windsor, chaplain to Charles II, and his wife Anna Stonehouse Cave. Rev. William Cave's will was cited in support . Mrs. Dorothy Brown Thompson, long time Cave family researcher , says in her papers: ...In 1957, through the London Society of Genealogists, I succeeded [Dorothy Brown Thompson] in getting a photocopy of this will from the Perogative Court of Canterbury. The will mentions daughters, a grandson, a deceased son Ralph, but not any mention of Benjamin or any living son.The will is long, detailed, meticulous. It seems most unlikely that he would have omitted to mention a living son even if provided for, even if estranged. At any rate, he did not; so Tyrrell's reference was false. Benjamin' s deposition, 1758 shows he was born 1703, which further disproves this parentage: Anna (Stonehouse) Cave died 1691....According to George H.S. King in a report to Mrs D. B. Thompson dated 18 April 1967, the deposition which establishes the birth year of Benjamin the Burgess is filed in the suit papers Crosthwait vs Crosthwait, Orange Co. VA Judgement File #17, Papers of June Court 1759. According to the report the deposition reads in part as follows: ...Benjamin Cave Gent. Sworn & Examined in the suit Depending in the County Court of Orange between Abraham Crosthwait Plaintiff and William Crosthwait Defendant, in the presense and by Consent of the partis _ Deposeth and Saith, That he is about 55 years or thereabouts... That about the time of Timothy Crosthwait purchasing the land in question from Hezekiah Rhodes...&c:Benja, CaveJohn Cave (16__-1720) subject of this piece, may or may not have been the immigrant. Records such as Cavaliers and Pioneers and the St. Stephens Parish Register indicate that there were earlier Cave's who could have been a prior generation.
John Echols and John Cave owned land together in King & Queen Co, VA in 1703.
Land patent:John Cave & John Eckolls, 600 acs., K & Q Co., in St. Stephen's Par; in the freshes ofMattapony River; beg. at Richards' & Cave's land; to E. side of Potabago Path; 23 Oct. 1703 (p.554) Trans. of 12 pers.
Notes from http://www.genealogical-gleanings.com/Early%20Virginia.htm
John Cave was born ca 1640 in England, the son of Samuel Cave and Rachel Kellogg. He was an importer of fine wines. He owned land in Stafford County. He married 1) Unknown Andrews, daughter of George Andrews and had issue: John (this John died in 1749 without issue) and David. He married 2) Elizabeth Travers and had known issue: Mary. [Mary's birth date seems to indicate that she was the daughter of Elizabeth Andrews]
It is also possible that John Cave was the father of William Cave who died in 1742 of Stafford County as David released the land which reverted to him upon his brother John's death to Keene Withers who was married to this William Cave's daughter as this William Cave had died prior to 1748. In 1707 John Cave of King and Queen County, a carpenter, purchased from Sampson Darrell of Gloucester Co. 300 acres in Stafford County on the south side of Potomack Creek and bordering the lands of John Gorvey, Thomas Gregg, William Waught, and Giles Travers. John Cave along with John Echols paid for the transportation of many others to America. In 1721 the will of John Cave was proven at Stafford. The will was written in 1714 and devised 200 acres of land to his son John Cave but was reverted to David Cave and his wife Sarah in Orange County, VA. John Cave lived in Overwharton Parish.Other Cave's in Stafford, Spotsylvania and later Orange and Culpepper Counties who may have been sons of John Cave were: Benjamin, Robert, Thomas and Joseph. David, Benjamin and Robert were closely associated with one another in the public records between 1720 and 1750 and gave sons these names. David named sons: David, Benjamin and Robert. Benjamin named sons: Benjamin, John, William and David. Robert named sons: Robert, John and William. A chart for the family assembled by English genealogist, Tyrell, shows Benjamin as the immigrant of Rev.William Cave of Windsor, Chaplain to Charles II, and his wife Anna Stonehouse. Rev. William Cave's will was cited in support. The will mentions daughters, a grandson, a deceased son Ralph, but no mention of Benjamin nor any living son. Anna Stonehouse Cave died in 1691. Benjamin's depositon in 1758 states his birth in 1703. John Cave (ca 1640-1720) may not have been the immigrant. There were earlier Cave's who could have been a prior generation.
Father: Samuel CAVE b: 1599 in Great Leighs, Essex, England, United Kingdom
Mother: Rachel KELLOG b: 1601 in Great Leighs, Essex, England, United Kingdom
Elizabeth ANDREWS b: in Panborrow, Somerset, England, United Kingdom c: 21 FEB 1642 in Wedmore, Somerset, England, United Kingdom
in Caldecott, England, United Kingdom
- Sealing Spouse:
18 JUN 2002
- Mary CAVE b: 5 JUL 1661 in Misterton, Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom
- John CAVE
- David CAVE
- William CAVE
Elizabeth TRAVERS b: 1700