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  • ID: I33848
  • Name: Johannes Hamman
  • Surname: Hamman
  • Given Name: Johannes
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1723 in Germany
  • Death: 1793 in Wilkes Co.,Georgia
  • LDS Baptism: status: SUBMITTED 9 Oct 2011
  • Endowment: status: SUBMITTED 9 Oct 2011
  • _UID: B2DF0E60F1EE39418C936947F113DF96A06D
  • Sealing Child: status: SUBMITTED 9 Oct 2011
  • Note:
    There is strong evidence that all of the children listed here are siblings, except for Henry and Philip Hamman. Y-chromosome testing of descendants of Philip, Henry, and Abraham show they were closely related-- if not siblings, then Philip and Henry were almost certainly at least1st or 2nd cousins of Abraham and his proven siblings.

    Abraham says in his Rev War Pension File that his father wrote the FamilyBible in German. Philip Hamman's grandson says Philip was from Germany. My Henry Hamman's grandson says that Henry's father was German. Many other records make it very clear our Hamman family is of German origin...

    Abraham Hamman says in his Rev War Pension file that he was born in NJ in 1754. Abraham's brother Isaac Hamman says he was born in Frederick Co., MD., in 1763. So we know our Hamman family came from NJ to MD between 1754 and 1763. A Johannes Hamann shows up in the church records for St. Peter's Lutheran Church in Woodsboro, Frederick Co., MD, by the mid 1760s, and this Hamman family appears on and off between 1760s and late 1770s. A John and Abraham Hamman are found next door to each other in Loudoun Co., VA, in 1770 and 1771, about the same time that Phillip Hamman shows up in Greenbrier, VA. Several members of this Hamman family (including John Sr., John Jr., Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) all begin showing up in Augusta and Rockingham Counties of VA, by the late 1770s, where they stay until 1785. Recall that Phillip Hamman Augusta Co., VA, in the early 1770s. John Hamman and his wife Eve sell land in Rockingham in 1784, and then buy land in Wilkes Co., GA, later that year. John Hamman Sr was found in the tax records of Wilkes Co., GA, from 1785 to 1793, in several cases right nearby his sons.

    It is therefore highly likely that this John Hamman Sr. (aka Johannes Hamann) was the father of all the children listed for him in my family tree. He is almost certainly the John and Eve Hamman who sold land to John Rush in 1785, Rockingham County Virginia. Records also exist in Rockingham County for sons Abraham and Jacob from 1780-1785....for example, John Hamman Sr and Jacob are neighbors to each other in the 1782-1784 tax records, also next to Abraham Hamman in 1783 and 1784....Isaac and John Hamman Jr are neighbors to George Armentrout in 1785, then disappear to Georgia. I also recently found that our John Hamman was in Rockingham (then Augusta) County Tax records as early as 1777.

    Records in Maryland:
    Again, John Hamman Sr is almost certainly the Johannes Hamann found in church records for St. Peters Church in Woodsboro, Frederick County, Maryland, during the 1760s and 1770s, and it is a fact that Isaac Hamman was born in Frederick Co., MD, in 1763. "John" could also be the "Jacob Hammon" who witnessed a deed for Peter Guice/Guise (whose daughter Elizabeth married a Jacob Hamman in 1783 Rockingham County) in Frederick County, Maryland, Deed Book "A" pages 61-62, dated 10 October 1763. In that deed, Peter Guice purchases thirty acres from James Reynolds in Frederick County, land that is known as "Pleasant View". It is probable that Peter Guice moved from Pensylvania or New Jersey at that time. A witness to this deed is Jacob "Hammon" but it almost looks like "Hummor". The Guice family is closely affiliated with our Hamman family in New Jersey, in Lancaster Co., PA (where Abraham Hamman and Phillip Guice served in the miltary in the late 1770s), to Rockingham County Virginia,a nd on to Wilkes County, GA. On the other hand, this Jacob "Hamman" could be the "James" Hamman who fathered several children (including a Henry in 1771) listed for St. Peter's church, and Jacob is a brother of Johannes -- if true, it would mean that my Henry Hamman is probably a first cousin to Abraham and his siblings.
    From St. Peter's Lutheran Church, in Woodsboro, MD:
    1) Henry, son of James and Mary Hammans, b. 3 Dec 1771, bapt 26-Mar-1772; sponsor Henry Fox
    2) Johanes, son of Daniel and Anna Elisabetha Klingenschmitt, b. 12 Jan 1775, bapt. 28 Mar 1775; sponsor Johannes Hamann; on the same day, Kruger, Hoffert, Schotter, Heinrich and Eva Fuchs, and Eiler families had confirmations.
    Confirmations on Sep 24, 1769, the 18th Sunday after Trinity:
    3) Johann Hamann, 20 yrs old, son of Johannes Hamann
    4) Anthon Hamann, 18 yrs old, son of Johannes Hamann
    5) Eva Hamann, 16 yrs old, dau. of Johannes Hamann
    Other confirmations:
    6) Confirmed: Sunday, April 27, 1777: Maria Hamann, 17
    7) Confirmed: Sep 13, 1778, Jacob Hamann,23
    8) Confirmed: May 26, 1782, Hanna Hamann, 19
    others as shown in file for Johann Jacob Hamman (bro of Johannes)...

    First records in Virginia and distinguishing two different/unrelated John Hamman's:
    Interestingly, a John Hammon is found in Loudoun County in 1767, 1770,and in 1771 is living there with son Abraham, right nearby a George Hamon. They are living right next to the George Hamman (likely b. 1727 Lachen-Speyerdorf) who is almost certainly a son of the Thomas Hamman who emigrated from Lachen-Speyerdorf in 1730. That George Hamman had a brother named John Hamman who married a Maria Wildanger and they had children baptized in Hunterdon Co., NJ, from 1771 into the early 1780s.Thus, it is improbable that the John Hamman in Loudoun County in 1771 is the same John Hamman in Hunterdon Co., NJ, also in 1771. Confusingly, the John Hamman of 1770s NJ likely joins his brother George in LoudounCo., VA, from 1784-1789, before who moves to Shenandoah Co., VA, where hedies in 1805; the John Hamman Sr, father of Abraham et al, was in Georgia during this time! Thus, there are clearly two different John Hamman's of similar age (b. 1720s-1730s) who are likely **unrelated** :
    1) John Hamman, b. 1720s (?), who died in Wilkes Co., GA, in ~1793. He was likely in NJ by the early 1750s, moved to Frederick Co., MD, by ~1763 where he lived until about 1768, when he moved to Loudoun County(1768-1771), and then on to Rockingham County, VA where he is found in the tax records from 1777-1785. John sells his Rockingham County, VA,property in 1785 and then moves to Wilkes Co., Georgia, where he died in 1793. I believe this John Hamman must've been born in the 1720s as according to the church records in Frederick County Maryland, he had children born in the 1740s.
    2) John Hamman, b. ~1735, Bucks Co., PA, d. 1805 Shenandoah Co., GA.This John was a son of Thomas Hamman who emigrated from Lachen-Speyerdorfin 1730, arriving in Pennsylvania in 1730, and attended the NewGoshenhoppen Church of Bucks Co., PA, in the 1730s. This Johannes "John" Hamman was found in Tohickon Reformed Church during the 1750s up until the 1760s, when he moved to NJ. He is on the border of Sussex andHunterdon Counties, New Jersey, from 1771-1784, prior to moving toLoudoun in 1784 and then Shenandoah County VA in the late 1780s where hedied in 1805. All of his children are listed in his Will, and *no* Isaac or Abraham are listed....
    Are these two John Hamman's related? After all, both have ties to GeorgeHamman of Loudoun County, both move to the border of Rockingham and Shenandoah Counties by the 1780s, and both have ties to NJ and also the Kise/Guise/Geiss family. Finally, the one who died in Shenandoah County had a grandson, Moses Hammon, who marries Isabella Armentrout, and a daughter Mary Hammon married Jacob Armentrout; the Armentrout family was also veryclose to the John Hamman who moved to from Rockingham to Georgia in 1785! Although all of these clues seemed to support some sort of relationship between these two John Hamman's, we've now tested descendants of both in the Hamman Y-chromosome project, and they do NOT match each other, so they are definitely NOT related!!

    So where in New Jersey did our John Hamman Sr live when son Abraham was born in 1754? YDNA tests have eliminated the possibility that we are related to John Hamman found in 1770s of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., NJ. Were there any other Hamman families present in 1750s of NJ? Yes!!! I recently found signatures for who I believe must be our Johannes Haman, in 1749 of the Zion Lutheran Church of Oldwick, Hunterdon Co., NJ. My current focus is on tracing the other families who attended this church during the 1740s and 1750s, most of whom are traced back to either Baden-Wuerttemberg or north Alsace.....

    New info as of 15-Apr-2011: Recent autosomal DNA tests suggest that Phillip Hamman (1753-1832) and Henry Hamman (1771-1841) were more closely related to each other than they were to sons of Johannes Hamman (Jacob Hamman, 1755-1831 or Abraham Hamman, 1754-1844). The data suggest that Phillip and Henry were brothers and at the closest, first cousins to Abraham and Jacob. I will be updating this area of my Hamman tree as more autosomal DNA results come back....
  • Change Date: 9 Oct 2011 at 09:08:14

    Father: ?? Hamman b: ?? in ??

    Marriage 1 Eve Amweg ? Children
    1. Has Children John Hamman Jr. b: ABT 1749 in New Jersey or Germany ?
    2. Has No Children Anthon Hamman b: ABT 1751 in New Jersey or Germany? c: confirmed 1769 in St. Peter's Luthern Church, Woodsboro, Frederick Co., Maryland
    3. Has Children Abraham Hamman b: ABT 1754 in New Jersey
    4. Has Children Jacob Hamman b: 1755
    5. Has No Children Mary Hamman b: 1760
    6. Has Children Isaac Hamman b: 4 Apr 1763 in Fredrick Co.,Maryland
    7. Has Children Elizabeth Hamman b: ABT 1769 in Frederick Co.,Maryland

    1. Title: GEDCOM File : HammanTree2-Jun-2009.ged
      1 _TYPE Electronic File
      Date: 2 Jun 2009
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