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  • ID: I38018
  • Name: Isabel de Meynell 1 2 3 4 5
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1339 in Meynell Langley, Belper, Derbyshire, England 6
  • Death: 25 APR 1393 3
  • Note:
    Isabel, (illegitimate?, half?) sister and eventual heiress of Ralph Basset, 3rd Lord (Baron) Basset of Drayton (who dsp 10 May 1390, since when that Barony has been abeyant or dormant). [Burke's Peerage]

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    Isabel, a sister (bastard? uterine?) of Ralph, 3rd Lord Basset of Drayton. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Complete Peerage II:3-6 note (f) indicates that Isabel may have been illegitimate, a half-sister, or a full sister. In any case her brother Ralph the 3rd Lord Basset (who dsp), left the bulk of his estate to Isabel's son, Hugh; thus Isabel was the major heir, and was probably legitimate.The post by Douglas Richardson below identifies Isabel as half-sister of Ralph Basset, being a daughter of Alice de Audley (Ralph's mother) by her second husband Hugh de Audley. Note: Despite the title (six husbands), she only had three--another Isabel Meynell had the other three husbands at about the same time.

    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: royalances... AT msn.com (Douglas Richardson)
    Date: 4 Jul 2001 13:19:17 -0700
    Local: Wed, Jul 4 2001 4:19 pm
    Subject: Re: The six husbands of Isabel Meynell

    The Isabel ...who married successively Shirley, Wodhull, and Braybrook is usually identified in print as a sister of Ralph Basset, last Lord Basset of Drayton Basset, co. Stafford. This identification is made on the basis that Ralph Basset referred to Isabel's son, Hugh Shirley, as his "nephew" in his will.

    Ralph Basset was clearly related to Hugh Shirley through Hugh's mother, Isabel, as in a settlement of property made some years prior to his death, Ralph named Isabel's sons by different marriages, namely Hugh Shirley and Ralph Braybrook, as successive remainders to his lands. Including Isabel's children by different marriages in the settlement indicates that her son's Hugh Shirley's kinship to Ralph Basset was through Isabel, rather than her husband, Sir Thomas de Shirley.

    As for possible kinships, it is a certain fact that Ralph Basset had no near legitimate Basset kinfolk who survived him. At the time of Ralph's parents' marriage, there was a manor settled on them and their issue by his mother's family. Following the marriage, the manor was held successively by Ralph's parents, then Ralph's mother and step-father, Sir Hugh de Meynell, and then by Ralph himself. At Ralph's death, the property reverted to his mother's relations, proving Ralph had no legitimate surviving siblings or issue.

    As for Ralph's mother, Alice de Audley, she is known to have married (2nd) Sir Hugh de Meynell, by whom she had several sons named in a Warwickshire fine. Alice was not, however, the mother of Sir Hugh's eldest son and heir, Richard Meynell, as Richard was born when Alice de Audley was still married to her Basset husband.

    That Isabel de Shirley was Alice de Audley's daughter by her Meynell marriage is proven by a later dispensation for marriage between one of Isabel's Shirley descendants and one of her half-brother, Richard Meynell's descendants. If you work out the relationship stated in the dispensation, it agrees with Isabel having been a sister or half-sister of Richard Meynell. In fact, this is no other apparent relationship between the ancestry of the two parties, except through the Meynell family. Furthermore, it may be noted that Isabel named a son, Hugh, doubtless in honor of her father, Sir Hugh de Meynell.

    Given the various facts stated above, it is evident that Isabel, wife successively of Shirley, Wodhull, and Braybrook, was the daughter of Sir Hugh de Meynell, by Alice de Audley, and thus was a legitimate half-sister of Ralph Basset, last Lord Basset of Drayton Basset.

    For further particulars on this matter, please see the forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry, where Isabel's identity and parentage will be discussed at length and all documentation provided.




    Father: Hugh de Meynell of Langley Meynell b: ABT 1308 in Meynell Langley, Belper, Derbyshire, Englan
    Mother: Alice de Audley b: ABT 1315 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England

    Marriage 1 Thomas Shirley MP b: BEF 1300 in Eatington, Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, England
    • Married: in 1st husband 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Hugh Shirley MP b: ABT 1355 in Eatington, Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, England

    Marriage 2 John de Woodhall b: 1343 in Odell (Wodhull), Bedfordshire, England
    • Married: AFT 1362 in 2nd husband

    Marriage 3 Gerard Braybrooke of Colmworth & Horsenden b: ABT 1332 in Colmworth, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
    • Married: 02 MAY 1369 in 2nd husband 2nd wife

    Sources:
    1. Author: Charles Mosely, Editor-in-Chief
      Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Ed
      Publication: Date: 1999;
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book

      Page: 1051
    2. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr.
      Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, 5th Ed
      Publication: Date: 1999;
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book

      Page: 122a-7
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Note:
      Source Medium: Electronic

      Page: Robert O'Connor, 11 Jun 1999
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Note:


      Page: II:3-6 note (f)
    5. Author: Richardson, Douglas, Editor: Edited by Kimball G. Everingham
      Title: Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families
      Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, Md., 2005;
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book
      Page: 747
    6. Author: Weber, Jim
      Title: The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest
      Note:
      Source Medium: Ancestry.com

      downloaded periodically 2001-2006. Updated frequently, with many sources.

      Text: citing Memorials of the Danvers Family, F.N. MacNamara, 1895, p,.71
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