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  • ID: I40356
  • Name: Elizabeth de Argentein 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1306 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England 3
  • Death: ABT 1376 in (dsp)/
  • Note:
    The following information taken from Medieval English Genealogy website at:

    On John de Argentein and his wife Joan's family:

    Some interesting light is shed on the family's domestic arrangements by a surviving set of accounts for 1317-8 from the manor of Melbourn (Palmer), where they seem to have been living at the time. We know from later evidence that Joan's elder daughters, Joan and Elizabeth were married to two brothers, John and William, the sons of Ralph Boteler (or Butler). (The younger daughter, Denise, died without issue.) Evidently they were married extremely young. In fact, the marriages must have been arranged immediately after their status as heiresses was apparent, because in the Melbourn accounts occurs an 'Aid for marrying the lord's eldest daughter'. The young bridegrooms also seem to have been living at Melbourn: the accounts also contain expenses for 'little socks', 'shoes' and 'slippers' for John Boteller, and 'linen cloth for the use of John Boteller and his brother'.


    Other than the reference to Ralph, the father of William, in the above text this marriage seems to fit all of the criteria. The Elizabeth who married William of Wem d. 1369 is not the Elizabeth de Holand who was daughter of Robert de Holand and Maud la Zouche because that Elizabeth married Sir Henry FitzRoger in 1340 (AR line 261-35) with no evidence of divorce or early death. The other William (of Warrington d 1380) that Elizabeth de Argentein might have married, is said (AR line 170-30) to have married Elizabeth de Haver

    The William Boteler who married Elizabeth Argentine was NOT William Boteler of Warrington as often claimed in print. I went around the mulberry bush on that one, too, before I got it straightened out. Elizabeth Argentine actually married (lst) before 1326, William Boteler, son of Ralph Boteler, of Pulverbatch, co. Salop; married (2nd) after 1336 and before 1349, Gilbert de Elsfield. She was still living 1376, and died soon after without issue.

    My source for this is: Victoria County History of Hertford, 4:111-112.

    Hope this helps. All for now. Hastily, Douglas Richardson

    Father: John de Argentein of Wymondley & Melbourn b: ABT 1278 in Great Wymondley, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England
    Mother: Joan Brien b: ABT 1283 in Throcking, Royston, Hertfordshire, England

    1. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr.
      Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Ed
      Publication: Name: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., Baltimore, 1999;
      Source Medium: Book

      Page: 77-33
      Text: Elizabeth, perhaps Holand of Upholland, but not daughter of Robert, Lord Holand, since his dau married by 1340 Sir Henry Fitz Roger.
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000

      Page: II:232
      Text: Elizabeth (no last name)
    3. Author: Weber, Jim
      Title: The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest
      Source Medium:

      downloaded periodically 2001-2006. Updated frequently, with many sources.

      Text: citing Memorials of the Danvers Family, F.N. MacNamara, 1895, p,.71
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