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  • ID: I4831
  • Name: Dabney Carr
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 26 OCT 1743 in Virginia ? 1 2
  • _FOOT: Carr Family Records, by Edson Carr. 3 4
  • Reference Number: 4832
  • Occupation: Member, House of Burgesses 5
  • Death: 16 MAY 1773 in Monticello, Charlottesville, VA (Albemarle Co) 6 7
  • Note:
    Brother in law of President Thomas Jefferson. Dabney and Martha buried at Monticello in Charlottesville, VA.
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    Subj: Re: Just some various Carr Generations
    Date: 97-06-08 03:53:41 EDT
    From: CARRJJ@aol.com
    Resent-from: CARR-L@rootsweb.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    Joe Carr

    ==========
    Dabney Carr: The Carr Who Is Buried Next To Thomas Jefferson at
    Montecello

    Friday, March 12, 1773 was a turning point in American history.
    For the previous several years relations between the American
    colonists and Great Britain had steadily deteriorated. The Stamp
    Act of 1765 brought "taxation without representation," while the
    Townshend Act of 1767 further burdened ostensibly free colonists
    with "legislation without representation." In June 1772, an
    incident in Rhode Island added fuel to the simmering cauldron. The
    British schooner GASPE was burned off Newport. In response, the
    British Parliament passed an act that allowed colonists to be
    shipped to England for trial. The freedoms which the colonists
    cherished so dearly were in terrible jeopardy.

    Sensing a severe threat to colonial liberties, several prominent
    Virginians elected members of the House of Burgesses secretly
    met together in Raleigh Tavern (Williamsburg) on March 11, and
    proposed formation of a network of Committees of Correspondence
    that would allow the colonies to keep in touch with each other, and
    to monitor British intentions. Several of the burgesses in the
    meeting Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee,
    Francis Lightfoot Lee, and DABNEY CARR (possibly others also)
    decided to offer the idea of the Committees of Correspondence to
    the assembled house. The idea seems to have been Richard Henry
    Lee's, with Thomas Jefferson writing the text of the formal
    resolution that would be offerred for vote. But it was 29-year old
    lawyer Dabney Carr who was tasked to rise in the House of Burgesses
    and introduce the resolution.

    The resolution was passed (although not without debate), and
    Carr, along with ten others, were appointed to the colonies' first
    Committee of Correspondence. By February 8, 1774 only one of the
    remaining twelve colonies had not established their own Committees
    of Correspondence; by September 5, 1774 the first Continental
    Congress met in Philadelphia ...and as they say, "the rest is
    history."

    The road to the American Revolution was surveyed by Dabney Carr,
    but he unfortunately did not live to trod upon it. On May 16, 1773,
    only two months after delivering the speech that resulted in
    formation of the Committees of Correspondence, and ultimately to
    the Continental Congress and the American Revolution, the youthful
    Dabney Carr died of fever in Charlottesville, VA. He is buried at
    Monticello (Photo A) in the Jefferson family cemetery on the
    southwestern slope of Mr. Jefferson's beautiful mountain.

    When you visit Thomas Jefferson's home, Monticello, the
    gravesite is behind, and down the hill from, the west garden. If
    you stand on the porch of Monticello, the gravel path down the hill
    to the Jefferson family gravesite is on the left. Follow the path
    along the west lawn, and then down the hill to the gravesite, which
    is guarded by a wrought iron fence. Follow the path around to the
    right, along the edge of the site, to the gate (it's locked).
    Thomas Jefferson's tombstone is right inside the gate. Immediately
    to the right of Jefferson's own tombstone is that of Dabney Carr.
    The bronze plaque at the site reads (in part) as follows:

    This graveyard had its beginning in an agreement
    between two young men, Thomas Jefferson and Dabney Carr,
    who were school-mates and friends. They agreed that they
    would be buried under a great oak that stood here.
    Carr, who married Jefferson's sister, died in 1773. His
    was the first grave on this site, which Jefferson laid
    out as a family burying ground. Jefferson was buried here
    in 1826.

    According to the story, Jefferson and Carr had studied under the
    "great oak" while school-mates. They both loved the location, and
    pledged that whichever died first would bury the other under the
    tree. Only a dozen or so years later Dabney Carr would be the first
    buried there, as Thomas Jefferson kept his youthful promise.

    Dabney Carr was born on October 26, 1743 at a thousand-acre
    Louisa County, Virginia farm named Bear Castle. He was the son of
    John Carr, grandson of Major Thomas Carr, and great-grandson of
    "Thomas Carr, Gentlemen," who held extensive land patents in
    Virginia from about 1701. Dabney attended the academy of Reverend
    James Maury. Other students at the prestigious private school were
    Thomas Jefferson and Matthew Maury. At the age of eighteen, Dabney
    Carr enrolled in William and Mary College in Williamsburg, and
    later studied to be a lawyer. Although his legal education
    ("reading law" under a practicing attorney) was interrupted in 1763
    by militia service on the frontier with the Louisa County Volunteer
    Rangers, Dabney was licensed to practice law only two years after
    leaving college. In July 1765, Dabney Carr married Martha
    Jefferson, Thomas' sister. The couple made their home at Spring
    Forest in Goochland County, VA.

    Dabney Carr was elected to the House of Burgesses in 1771 and
    1772, and served on two House committees, including the influential
    Committee of Privileges and Elections. He helped incorporate the
    Virginia Society for the Promotion of Useful Knowledge, a group
    "...dedicated to a discussion of geography, natural history,
    natural philosophy, agriculture, practical mathematics, commerce,
    medicine and American history."

    Contemporaries regarded Dabney Carr as a powerful orator who was
    a serious challenge to the acknowledged master orator, Patrick
    Henry. Of Carr, Patrick Henry's biographer, William Wirt, said
    [Dabney Carr] "...was considered...the most formidible rival in
    forensic eloquence that Mr. Henry had ever yet had to encounter."
    Of Carr, Thomas Jefferson said he "...was one of the earliest and
    most distinquished leaders in the opposition to British tyranny."

    Although Dabney Carr is largely forgotten by the history books,
    except for a little microbe ("bilious fever" the doctor called it)
    he would surely have been one of the giants of the American
    Revolution. As it was, Dabney Carr's contribution to the formation
    of the American democracy is subtantial, even though he died young.

    Notes on the Family Line of Dabney Carr

    Descendents of Virgnia Carrs from the family of Dabney Carr
    often become confused and erroneously append their ancestors to the
    Loudoun County line (the opposite mistake is also made quite
    frequently, i.e. descendents of Loudoun Carrs appending their kin
    to the line of Dabney. To serve the former, I am including the
    material that I have on the "downstate" Carrs related to Dabney
    Carr.

    These families are found largely in Albemarle County, Louisa
    County, Caroline County and in the Shenandoah Valley Counties of
    Virginia stretching out as far south as North Carolina. A person
    with the surname Carr from these counties is not necessarily a
    relative of the family described below, but their numbers are
    sufficiently large to warrant looking at that connection. Keep in
    mind that the lines of John Carr in Loudoun, and relatives of
    Dabney Carr downstate, are not the only Carr families existing in
    Virginia at the time. So please don't be too quick to append your
    own line to another without documentary evidence.

    Thomas Carr. (b.1655, d. >1724). Emigrated from England to
    Topping Castle, Caroline County, Virginia in late 17th century.

    Thomas Carr of Louisa County, VA. This Thomas Carr is styled
    "Thomas Carr, gentleman" in a patent granted to him on April 25,
    1701 for 546 acres of land in St. John's Parish, Pamunkey Neck,
    King William County (VA) "...for the transportation of 11 persons
    in the colony...." Positions held by Thomas Carr: Justice (1702),
    High Sheriff (1708-09). Genealogies of Virginia Families Vol. I, p.
    588ff, reprints a letter from Col. Wilson Miles Cary of Baltimore,
    written to The William and Mary College Quarterly Historical
    Magazine, who asserts that Thomas Carr had two sons: Major Thomas
    Carr of Caroline County (VA), born 1678, and William Carr (who is
    the ancestor of the Carrs in Spotsylvania County, VA, and also of
    Kentucky and Missouri).

    Major Thomas Carr was appointed Justice for Caroline County at
    the time of its formation in 1728; he served in the Caroline court
    until his death (May 29, 1737). He has also been Justice in King
    William County from 1714, and was High Sheriff in 1722-23.

    Major Thomas Carr was married to Mary Dabney (b. 1688, d. Sept.
    7, 1748) in 1704. The children of this marraige were: Thomas (b.
    1705, d. 1743 without children); John (below); Agnes (married in
    1730 to Colonel John Waller of Spotsylvania); Sarah (b. Nov. 14,
    1714, d. 1772), who married John Minor (1702-43), a wealthy planter
    of Spotsylvania County.

    The son of Major Thomas Carr who left descendents was John Carr,
    Esq. of "Bear Castle," Elk Run, Louisa County, VA.; He was born on
    December 26, 1706 in Caroline County, VA. John Carr, who owned
    extensive estates, was a Member of the County Court (Louisa) from
    its formation in 1742 until his death, and served as High Sheriff
    in 1753-54.

    John Carr, Esq. was married twice. His first wife, Mary Garland,
    died March 10, 1736. Their son was Thomas Carr (b. Nov. 24, 1735),
    is recognized as the direct ancestor of the Carr line in North
    Garden, Albemarle County. The second wife of John Carr was Barbara
    Overton (b. April 20, 1720, d. Dec. 1794), daughter of Capt. James
    Overton of Hanover. John and Barbara had eleven children, of which
    six survived: Dabney (discussed below); Samuel (b.1765, d.1777);
    Elizabeth (b.1747); Overton (b. 1752), married Ann Addison of Oxon
    Hill, MD.; Garland (b.1754, d.1837), of Albemarle County, married
    Mary Phillips (nee' Winston) in 1783; Mary (b. 1756).

    William, the other son of the immigrant Thomas Carr and brother
    of Major Thomas Carr, died in 1760 sometime between the making of
    his will (dated Aug. 2, 1760) and its "proving" in Spotsylvania
    county on August 12, 1760. His wife was named Susannah, and their
    children were: Sarah Carr (married Mordecai Hord), Thomas Carr,
    William Carr, Ann Carr, Elizabeth Carr, Phebe Carr, Walter Chiles
    Carr, Charles Brooks Carr, Agnes Brooks Carr (married William
    Ellis), Susannah Carr, Mary Carr.

    Walter Chiles Carr (d. 1848) married Elizabeth Chiles. Their
    children were: Susan Carr, Charles Carr, Phebe Carr, Thomas Carr,
    Nancy Carr, William Chiles Carr, Virginia Carr, Dabney Carr, Walter
    Carr, Eliza Minor Carr, and Hulda Carr.

    Charles Carr, son of Walter and Elizabeth (Chiles), married
    Elizabeth Todd of Fayette County, Kentucky. Elizabeth was the
    daughter of Levi Todd, and sister of Robert(?) Todd (who was the
    father of Mary Todd, wife of Abraham Lincoln). Of the thirteen
    children of Charles and Elizabeth, Robert Elisha Carr married Sarah
    Block (who was Jewish).

    Dabney Carr, grandson of Thomas Carr and son of John Carr,
    married Martha Jefferson, sister of Thomas Jefferson, on July 20,
    1765. Dabney Carr served in the Virginia House of Burgesses and was
    a leader in pre-revolutionary Virginia. He died on May 16, 1773 of
    fever, and is buried in the Jefferson family cemetary at Montecello
    (Charlottesville, VA).
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    Subj: Dabney Carr
    Date: 97-11-16 09:54:58 EST
    From: oynxx@juno.com (Charles E. Terry, Jr.) [address changed to oynxxx@juno.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    Greetings:
    I'm fairly new in my search for my roots. I'm researching my mothers
    side of the family, who are Carrs' . They make references to Thomas
    Jefferson. I'm interested in Dabney Carr. He was Thomas' good friend
    and brother-in-law and buried at Monticello. Where can I find more
    information on Dabneys' family? Other postings have made mention of a
    "Carr Book". Where can I get a copy of this "Carr Book" ? Thank you for
    any assistance...
    Charles
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    Subj: Book on JT & SH
    Date: 97-11-30 11:14:00 EST
    From: oynxx@juno.com (Charles E. Terry, Jr.) [address changed to oynxxx@juno.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    Greetings All:
    You may all be aware of this book already, but I'm posting it just in
    case. It is published this year by a new author. The book deals with the
    relationship that Thomas Jefferson had with Sally Hemings. The 'Carrs"
    at Monticello are referred to in some detail. The book is " Thomas
    Jefferson and Sally Hemings, An American Controversy", by Annette
    Gordon-Reed. If your Carr roots are through Albemarle Cty, Va., you
    might want to have this book.
    Peace.
    Charles
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    Subj: [CARR-L] VA sharing records THOMAS CARR
    Date: 8/16/98 12:10:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    From: acarr@interaccess.com (Allen Carr)
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    I have been working on the records of Thomas Carr I for years, and have
    been especially interested and frustrated in tracking down his English
    origins. I am descended from his g-grandson, Dabney Carr + Martha
    Jefferson, and have much information on my direct line with some
    gleanings on the ancilliary and sibling lines.
    I am very pleased to see that you prefaced your review of your data base
    with the observation that you have omitted all material that had no
    proof attached. Good! That is why I am willing to reply in some detail
    to your messages re: Thomas & William Carr. There is too much copying of
    old, fanciful legends out there.
    I don?t have my info in an electronic database, so this will take some
    transcribing...I may skip over some details at this stage.
    First, two comments on your query asides...
    Re. [in 1727 he was still using Jr.??] The usage of the terms ?Sr.? and
    ?Jr.? were rather different in 17th and 18th c. records than they are
    today. They did not specifically refer to a father/son relationship.
    Rather, whenever there were two individuals in the same community (town,
    parish, county, whatever) who had the same name, regardless of their
    relationship, if any, the older one was referred to as ?Senior? and the
    younger one as ?Junior.? The above citation simply means that Thomas I
    [Sr.] was still alive and that Thomas II [Jr.] was so-called in the
    interests of accuracy.
    I, too, have been fascinated and puzzled by the Thomas Swan connection.
    This Thomas Swan may be related to the prominant Swan family (including
    one Thomas Swan) in Surry County south of the James who were deeply
    involved in Bacon?s Rebellion of 1676. This rebellion was in protest
    against Gov. Berkley?s apparent unwillingness to repress Indian raids in
    the west, and led ultimately to his removal as governor. Coincidentally,
    the Pamunkey Neck area of King William where we find Thomas I was
    originally land leased from the friendly Pamunkey Queen, so Indian
    relationships are certainly a part of the picture. Knowing that the
    other Thomas Swan was involved, I have done a lot of searching of
    Bacon?s Rebellion documents to no avail. Incidentally, Cornelius Dabney,
    father of Mary Dabney who married Thomas II CARR, was known as
    ?translator to the Queen of the Pamunkeys.?
    Back to the Swan problem. I have the following four records, either
    xerox copies or transcriptions from microfilms of the originals [LDS],
    of collected fragments from a courthouse fire. Page numbers as given in
    the repaginated book.

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    Indenture: 20 Sept 1697,
    Hannah Howlett to Thomas Carr, witnessed by Thomas Swan
    King William County: Deed fragments book III, p. 33

    This indenture made the 20th day of Sepr in the year of our Lord God
    1697 imprimis [first] that Hannah Howlett of St John?s parish in King
    and Queen County in Virga doth for several causes ? bind unto Thomas
    Carr of the Parish and County aforsaid to him one boy being five years
    of age the Sixth of July last [present?] yeare 1697 and to serve him the
    [said] Thomas Carr or his heirs or Exrs until he shall arrive at the
    full age of twenty one years according to law and that the said boy
    called by the name of Wm Howlett shall serve?Thomas Carr his heirs or
    Exrs to the expiration of the time aforesaid in all such laws full
    employment and who the said Thomas Carr his heirs or Exrs shall think
    fitt to imploy him in and the said Tho: Carr doth by these present bind
    himself his heirs or Exrs find the said Wm Howlett sufficient cloathing
    washing and lodging until he shall arrive at the age aforesaid and to
    take such care of him as that [__] requisite and necessary and necessary
    for one in his [condition?] furthermore the said Thomas Carr doth bind
    [??? /???] heirs or Exrs to give the said William Howlett two yrs
    schooling and I the said Hannah Howlett Mother of ye William Howlett
    doth bind her selfe to acknowledge my consent to this indenture before
    any of Maj:tie Justices of Peace or to give any other surity as the law
    shall require for the said William Howlett unto Thomas Carr or his heirs
    or Exrs if shod(?) shall [___]and to the full and true performance of
    all and everythe[?] said article befor___? in this Indenture ___ the
    party above have ____ sett our hand and ____ and year above written.

    Hannah Howlett
    Her Mark

    Thomas Carr
    Teste Thomas Swan
    Robert Snugg
    his mark

    _________________________________________________________

    King William XIV - 383: 31 Jan 1702
    Power of Attorney, Robert Powle [Powell] to Thomas Carr, witnessed by
    Thomas Swan, John Carr. (I have the full text...not especially
    relevant).
    _________________________________________________________

    Book 2, p. 31
    William Rawlings, will, 27 May 1704
    Names ?...my loving friends, Mr. Thomas Carr, Mr. John Whitehead, and
    Thomas Swan making them full and whole Executors....?
    Proved 20 June 1704 by oaths of the several named extrs. William Aylett
    [clerk]
    next entry following:
    Thomas Carr, John Whitehead, Thomas Swan...post to the Justice of the
    Peace, King William County, the sum of five hundred pounds of good and
    lawful money of England...bond to execution of last Will and Testament
    of William Rawlings.
    20 June 1704

    _________________________________________________________

    Will, 19 Nov. 1704: Thomas Swan. Beneficiaries: Thomas Carr, Mrs. Mary
    Carr, Wm. Lipscomb Jr., John Terry. Executor, Thos Carr
    King William Book 2, p. 40

    In the name of God, Amen. I Thomas Swan of the Parish of St. Johns in
    King Wm County being very weak in body but of perfect mind and memory,
    praisd be God, doo make and name this my last will and testament in
    manner and form following.
    I give and bequeath my soul unto the hand of Almighty God my heavenly
    father and to the mercy of Jesus Christ my [saviour] hoping by his
    meritorious death and passion to obtain forgiveness of all my sins and
    the salvatio of my soul and for that small matter of worldly goods which
    hath pleased Almighty God to possess upon me I give and bequeath in
    manner and form following.
    Firsed I give and bequeath unto Wm Lipscomb Jr. the supposed son of Wm
    Lipscomb and Mary his wife four thousand pounds of every way sweet
    scented tobco and case to contain the same to be paid by my Exr named
    hereafter when he arrives at the full age of one and twenty years.
    Secondly, I give and bequeath one sorrell horse which I usually ride
    together with the bridle and saddle unto Mrs Mary Carr wife to Thos Carr
    Gent.
    Thirdly I give unto John Terry one thousand pounds of good sweet
    scented tobco and to be paid as soon as he shall be of full age of
    twenty one years.
    Lastly all the rest of my estate of what nature or kind so ever it be I
    give and bequeath unto my well beloved ffriend Mr. Thos Carr making him
    full and sole Exr of this my last will and testament revoking all others
    as witness my hand and seal Nov: ye 19th 1704.
    Thomas Swan
    Witness William Porteous
    Gilbert Elliot
    Proved 20 Dec. 1704

    note, next entry: Thos Carr and Samuel Cradock posted bond of two
    thousand pounds English money as bond to execute the above will. That?s
    a lot of money, and in English Pounds, yet, not in tobacco, a usual
    medium of exchange. Comment: since Thomas Carr II was only 18 at the
    time of the first Howlett document, it seems probable that this
    relationship was with the Senior Thomas Carr. Assuming this to be true,
    this is the only legal document I have that indicates that the wife of
    Thomas I Carr was named Mary...a family tradition not proven.

    These are all the original documents I have on the mysterious Thomas
    Swan. Note that JOHN CARR also witnessed the Rober Powle [Powell] Power
    of Attorney in Jan 1702. I will post a separate letter with a
    concordance of what I believe are three Carr brothers?Thomas, William
    and John. It may be a while, I haven?t typed it yet.

    Allen Carr

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    Subj: [CARR-L] CARR-DABNEY
    Date: 8/17/98 8:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    From: carolmit@usaor.net (Carol Mitchell)
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    For all you CARR-DABNEY researchers : Who have not found this:
    An Article In The Colonial Genealogist XII:3 page 107-111 (1985)
    The English Birth and Ancestry of Cornelius Dabney (1631-1693/4) of Virginia by Arden H Brame, Jr II

    Takes him and his ancestors back into Bucknall, Lincolnhire, England.

    Carol (Gehrs) Mitchell, 134 Schnauzer Lane, Beaver Falls, PA 15010
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    Subj: [CARR-L] Dabney Carr-Thomas Jefferson
    Date: 5/29/99 6:20:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    From: KARRFAM1@aol.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    I was straightening my book shelves today and found a book entitled "The
    Young Jefferson 1743-1789 written in 1945 by Claude G Bowers. The book
    mentions Dabney Carr and his friendship with Thomas Jefferson. It also
    mentions Martha Jefferson Carr. If anyone would like for me to do a lookup
    for them, please e-mail me directly at KARRFAM1@aol.com. There is no mention
    of Sally Hennings? in the index. There are a total of 544 pages including
    the index. I have no idea where I got this book, but it could be that I
    bought it at a yard sale. I look forward to hearing from anyone interested.
    Mary Karr
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    Subj: Thomas Jefferson's Scrapbooks Found
    Date: 09/29/1999 8:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    From: AOL News
    BCC: Pat Noble

    Thomas Jefferson's Scrapbooks Found

    .c The Associated Press

    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) - Scholars believe four scrapbooks recently uncovered by a history professor were put together by Thomas Jefferson and offer further insight into the life of the nation's third president.

    The red leather-bound books contain thousands of newspaper articles from all over the East Coast dating back to Jefferson's presidency, from 1801-08. They indicate that Jefferson, usually considered a man of logic and reason, was more sentimental that scholars have thought.

    Researchers once believed the scrapbooks were put together by Jefferson's granddaughters but recently discovered that some notations on the clippings match Jefferson's handwriting. Some of the clippings also are pasted on envelopes with Jefferson's address.

    ``We are confident these books were compiled by Jefferson himself,'' said James Horn, director of the International Center for Jefferson Studies in Charlottesville.

    Robert M.S. McDonald, a professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., found the 6-by-9-inch books this summer at the University of Virginia's Alderman Library while doing research.

    ``I was stunned,'' McDonald said. ``I realized that they not only belonged to Jefferson, but also that they were Jefferson's creation. It is not every day that new Jefferson materials come to light. And these are a treasure trove of information.''

    McDonald found an oak leaf pressed into one book between an article on friendship and a poem titled ``Scenes from My Youth.'' Jefferson and his boyhood friend, Dabney Carr, played together on Monticello and used to study under an oak tree.

    The two promised each other the survivor would bury the other under that tree.

    ``That was the genesis of the Monticello family graveyard,'' McDonald said. Carr was the first buried where the oak tree was believed to have been.

    Researchers say one of the scrapbooks was given to the library in 1851. The three others were donated in 1951 by Jefferson family members.

    AP-NY-09-29-99 2025EDT

    Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press.
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    Subj: [CARR-L] Dabney Carr-Martha Jefferson
    Date: 11/01/2000 8:15:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
    From: onyxxx@juno.com (Charles E Terry)
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    Greetings:
    Those interested in more genealogy on the Dabney and Martha Carr family see this website:
    http://carr.american.edu/personal/carr_reunion2000/index.html

    Charles
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    Subj: Re: [CARR-L] Seeking email address of researcher
    Date: 11/01/2000 7:47:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
    From: WMDCARR
    To: Pat Noble

    Charles E. Terry, Jr.'s current E-mail address is onyxxx@juno.com.

    I am a descendant of Dabney Carr and Martha (Jefferson) Carr and have a very extensive database on this line. (My cousins deflect queries to me.) Charles and I believe that we are half third cousins through our common GG-grandfather, Samuel Carr of "Dunlora", Albemarle Co., Virginia, although his relationship to "Col. Sam" is unrecorded. We are presently in the process of proving this relationship through the use of Y-chromosome DNA analysis of male-line descendants of our respective lines.

    Bill Carr
    Jenkintown, PA
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    Subj: Re: [CARR-L] Seeking email address of researcher
    Date: 11/01/2000 8:56:58 AM Eastern Standard Time
    From: ljobe@pmt.org (Lois) [address changed to ljobe@micron.net]
    To: PatNoble@aol.com

    Hi. I would also like more information about Dabney Carr and Martha Jefferson's decendants. We used to have them as parents in our pedigree with son Samuel but now are pointed in another direct. I would like to know more about their
    descendants. Lois
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    From: BLAZEGRACE@aol.com [mailto:BLAZEGRACE@aol.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:50 AM
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com
    Subject: [CARR-L] Thomas Carr

    Just a little food for thought:

    Were all of you aware that Thomas Jefferson's best fried was named Thomas
    Carr and is interred in the same graveyard as Thomas Jefferson at
    Monticello?

    Sue
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    Subj: Re: [CARR-L] Thomas Carr
    Date: 01/25/2001 8:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
    From: bigred@jps.net (Carl&Connie Backers)
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    I know Dabney Carr is buried under the old oak tree in the cemetery. thos.
    Jefferson married Dabney's sister. Dabney and Thomas were old school buddies and
    while studying together one day they made a pact that whoever dies first will be
    buried under that tree. Lovely cemetery--I have been there--at Monticello and the
    grounds. As it happened Dabney died first so he was interred there with the
    Jefferson family. connie in Calif.
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    Subj: [CARR-L] Re: Carr - Jefferson Connection
    Date: 01/25/2001 2:21:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
    From: WMDCARR@aol.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    May I please correct Grace, who recently wrote that Thomas Carr was Thomas
    Jefferson's best friend? Thomas Carr was unknown to Thomas Jefferson'; she
    was probably thinking of Dabney Carr. Dabney Carr (26 Oct 1743-17 May 1773),
    son of John Carr (1706-1778) of "Bear Castle", Louisa Co, Virginia, was
    schooled with Thomas Jefferson at the "parson's school" in the home of the
    Rev. James Maury. Dabney Carr and Thomas Jefferson later became attorneys.
    Dabney married Jefferson's sister, Martha. Dabney and Martha had six
    children: Jane Barbara, Lucy, Mary (Polly), Peter, Samuel, and Dabney 2nd.

    Jefferson and Carr served together in the Virginia House of Burgesses,
    Jefferson representing Albemarle Co., and Carr Louisa Co. On 17 May 1773,
    Dabney Carr died of "bilious fever"; he was living with his family at his
    platation called "Spring Forest" in Goochland Co. at that time. His younges
    child, Dabeny, was then only two months old.

    Jefferson was the executor of Carr's estate and had the body of his friend
    and brother-in-law, Dabney, exhumed from a grave where he had been buried and
    reburied him at Montecello, the first member of his family interred there.

    To read more about Thomas Jefferson's early life and connections with Dabney
    Carr, I recommend Dumas Malone's first of six volumes on Jefferson's life,
    entitled Jefferson, the Virginian. It is readily available in paperback.

    Bill Carr
    Jenkintown, PA
    __________________________
    Subj: RE: [CARR-L] Thomas Carr
    Date: 02/02/2001 9:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
    From: carrdona@sprynet.com (carrdona)
    Reply-to: carrdona@sprynet.com
    To: CARR-L@rootsweb.com

    Actually, it is DABNEY Carr who was Jefferson's boyhood friend. They made a
    pact early in their lives that, whichever should die first will be buried
    "nextto that tree there," and the other would go next to him. Dabney died
    first, in 1773, and was buried according to the arrangement. Jefferson went
    in next to Dabney.
    ______________________
    FULL - See wife
    ___




    Father: John Carr b: 25 DEC 1706 in Virginia, USA
    Mother: Barbara Overton b: 20 APR 1720

    Marriage 1 Martha Jefferson b: 29 MAY 1746 in Tuckahoe, VA
    • Married: 20 JUL 1765
    Children
    1. Has Children Peter Carr b: 02 JAN 1770 in Virginia (Louisa Co)
    2. Has Children Samuel Carr b: 09 OCT 1771 in Virginia (Goochland Co)
    3. Has Children Dabney Carr b: 27 APR 1773 in Spring Forest, VA (Goochland Co)
    4. Has Children Virginia Carr b: ABT 1775 in Virginia (Louisa Co)
    5. Has No Children Jane Carr b: ABT 1768
    6. Has No Children Maria Jefferson Carr b: ABT 1774
    7. Has No Children Lucy Carr b: 07 MAR 1768

    Sources:
    1. Author: Ford Barr Hanna
      Title: The Carr Family
      Publication: Name: Arkansas Family Historian, vol 5-7 (1967-69);
      Repository:
        Name: Transcript under notes for Thomas Carr b abt 1680

      Note:
      Source Medium: Book
      Source Quality: Unreliable, confused, missing or merged individuals/data; seemingly based on Carr Family Records, by Edson Carr

      "These notes copied from Ford Barr Hanna's notes owned by his daughters. Most of this was compiled by Mrs Annette Wilson Smith, assisted by her husband, Capt M O Smith, USA. Copied Feb 16, 1968, by Jo Whitmore Didly, Box 155, Nashville, AR 71854"
    2. Title: Register of Births, Etc of John Carr of Bear Castle, VA
      Publication: Name: Transcript reportedly can be found in The Virginia Historical Magazine, vol 3, pp 208-225;
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book

      Sometimes referred to as the "family bible" of this line of Carrs, it is actually a personal record kept by John Carr, son of Thomas Carr, written in the front of one of six volumes of a copy of Doddridge's Family Expositor, published in London in 1756. I have a transcript of the magazine article transcript of these records in this database within the notes section under the name Mary Dabney, wife of Thomas Carr, in a piece of correspondence dated 8/13/98.
    3. Title: Carr Family Records, by Edson Carr
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book

      Page: 73
    4. Author: Robert P Carr
      Title: History of the Carr Family
      Publication: Name: 1894, Claiborne Democrat Print (Tazewell, TN);
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book
      Source Quality: A small booklet written by a sixteen year old boy.

      "History of the Carr Family, as best as can be gathered from old family records, and is especially dedicated to the memory of the Noble family."

      Pagination based on Chapter 1 being on page 1.

      Page: 2
      Text: Year of birth and VA as pob
    5. Author: Robert P Carr
      Title: History of the Carr Family
      Publication: Name: 1894, Claiborne Democrat Print (Tazewell, TN);
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book
      Source Quality: A small booklet written by a sixteen year old boy.

      "History of the Carr Family, as best as can be gathered from old family records, and is especially dedicated to the memory of the Noble family."

      Pagination based on Chapter 1 being on page 1.

      Page: 2
      Text: He was a member of the House of Burgesses and introduced a bill of rights, which was carried, that was regarded as the entering wedge to the separation of the colonies from England. His speech on that occasion was regarded by Mr Jefferson as a masterpiece of patriotic eloquence. He was considered one of the ablest men in America (see Witt's "Life of Patrick Henry" p 108)"
    6. Title: Register of Births, Etc of John Carr of Bear Castle, VA
      Publication: Name: Transcript reportedly can be found in The Virginia Historical Magazine, vol 3, pp 208-225;
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book

      Sometimes referred to as the "family bible" of this line of Carrs, it is actually a personal record kept by John Carr, son of Thomas Carr, written in the front of one of six volumes of a copy of Doddridge's Family Expositor, published in London in 1756. I have a transcript of the magazine article transcript of these records in this database within the notes section under the name Mary Dabney, wife of Thomas Carr, in a piece of correspondence dated 8/13/98.

      Text: Dabney Carr, son of John and Barbara Carr, died 16th of May 1773,a ged 30 years.
    7. Author: Robert P Carr
      Title: History of the Carr Family
      Publication: Name: 1894, Claiborne Democrat Print (Tazewell, TN);
      Note:
      Source Medium: Book
      Source Quality: A small booklet written by a sixteen year old boy.

      "History of the Carr Family, as best as can be gathered from old family records, and is especially dedicated to the memory of the Noble family."

      Pagination based on Chapter 1 being on page 1.

      Page: 2
      Text: He died at the age of thirty, in Charlottesville, Va, May 16, 1773, leaving a family of six children.
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