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Note: Livid on Ogilby Road at the time of death at Mercy Hospital, Gary, Indiana
Rockford Realty Sales 324 7th St.
.......................................................................... ........................................................ Groothusen (without letter "w"!!!) today is a part of 26736 Krummho"rn and ca. 16 km (10 miles) north-west of Emden in Lower Saxony, rural district of Aurich.
Johannes Sempert
Possible WW1 vet .......................................................................... ........................................................ used the name Manning/ don't know if legally changed
Ship/ Amerika from Hamburg, Germany March 5, 1910 Arrived New York, U.S.A. March 14, 1910
Family Plot: North End of Greenwood; Large Stone SEVERSON.... standing to face cross road to the right - Theall stone.... go east about three rows. Flat stones one open plot remains.
Subj: Re: Mammenga Family Date: 5/14/03 9:02:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: JRosenberg@@cfu.net To: Earleneann@@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details)
Hi Georgia, Nice to here from you ... sorry I have taken so long to reply. Yes I would like information on this line from you. Seems that I don't even have too much on George! The source for most this information comes from long years of research and putting together a lot of tidbits into a database. A lot on the Mammenga line comes from a German book called a OSB. These OSBs are books being put together on a voluntary basis of the church records form certain towns. Every so often a new one comes out for a certain village. I happen to own the one from Wirdum, where a number of the Mammenga line lived. I have this information because a Mammenga married into my Rosenberg line. Now on the naming practices ... not a simple question. In 1811 the brother of Napoleon who was ruler of Ostfriesland at the time declared that everyone had to have a specific 'surname' ... that is why you see a number of surnames popping up around at this time. Before this the naming practice was what you call the paternal form. For example a man named Geerd Williams has two sones ... say Paul and Jan ... their names under this system would be Paul Geerds and Jan Geerds... In other words all the children of this Geerd Williams would use the last name as Geerds. In the next generation Paul Geerds would have children and all of them would have the last name of Pauls and all the children of Jan Geerds would have the last name of Jans or Janssen. To make it even a little more confusing ... it was very likely that the first son of each of the boys would name it after the grandfather .... thus there would be a Geerd Pauls and a Geerd Janns (or more common Janssen) and they would be cousins. So from generation to generation you can't follow one specific name to go by. You can guess the first name of the father with probably accuracy by looking at the last name of the children. In this case the father of our Geerd Williams would most likely have a name of William. Confusing I know... but once you follow it is can be helpful in trying to trace relatives. Also you have to look at the spellings of names as fluid. In the old records the pastor would spell the name in the church records as he heard it ... it would change from record to record and city to city by whoever was doing the record keeping ..... sometimes you have to be pretty clever especially with the ships records as to what they are spelling. You may want to go to the following URLs and look around. There is a very good Ostfriesian discussion list where you can join and ask questions and find others following the same lines. There is a lot of other good information there too. Thanks for your interest and let me know if I can be of any more help. JON http://www.summitsoftware.com/Ostfriesen/
[Descendants of Albert Berents 2.FTW]
Livid on Ogilby Road at the time of death at Mercy Hospital, Gary, Indiana
Rockford Realty Sales 324 7th St.
.......................................................................... ........................................................ Groothusen (without letter "w"!!!) today is a part of 26736 Krummho"rn and ca. 16 km (10 miles) north-west of Emden in Lower Saxony, rural district of Aurich.
Johannes Sempert
Possible WW1 vet .......................................................................... ........................................................ used the name Manning/ don't know if legally changed
Ship/ Amerika from Hamburg, Germany March 5, 1910 Arrived New York, U.S.A. March 14, 1910
Family Plot: North End of Greenwood; Large Stone SEVERSON.... standing to face cross road to the right - Theall stone.... go east about three rows. Flat stones one open plot remains.
Subj: Re: Mammenga Family Date: 5/14/03 9:02:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: JRosenberg@@cfu.net To: Earleneann@@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details)
Hi Georgia, Nice to here from you ... sorry I have taken so long to reply. Yes I would like information on this line from you. Seems that I don't even have too much on George! The source for most this information comes from long years of research and putting together a lot of tidbits into a database. A lot on the Mammenga line comes from a German book called a OSB. These OSBs are books being put together on a voluntary basis of the church records form certain towns. Every so often a new one comes out for a certain village. I happen to own the one from Wirdum, where a number of the Mammenga line lived. I have this information because a Mammenga married into my Rosenberg line. Now on the naming practices ... not a simple question. In 1811 the brother of Napoleon who was ruler of Ostfriesland at the time declared that everyone had to have a specific 'surname' ... that is why you see a number of surnames popping up around at this time. Before this the naming practice was what you call the paternal form. For example a man named Geerd Williams has two sones ... say Paul and Jan ... their names under this system would be Paul Geerds and Jan Geerds... In other words all the children of this Geerd Williams would use the last name as Geerds. In the next generation Paul Geerds would have children and all of them would have the last name of Pauls and all the children of Jan Geerds would have the last name of Jans or Janssen. To make it even a little more confusing ... it was very likely that the first son of each of the boys would name it after the grandfather .... thus there would be a Geerd Pauls and a Geerd Janns (or more common Janssen) and they would be cousins. So from generation to generation you can't follow one specific name to go by. You can guess the first name of the father with probably accuracy by looking at the last name of the children. In this case the father of our Geerd Williams would most likely have a name of William. Confusing I know... but once you follow it is can be helpful in trying to trace relatives. Also you have to look at the spellings of names as fluid. In the old records the pastor would spell the name in the church records as he heard it ... it would change from record to record and city to city by whoever was doing the record keeping ..... sometimes you have to be pretty clever especially with the ships records as to what they are spelling. You may want to go to the following URLs and look around. There is a very good Ostfriesian discussion list where you can join and ask questions and find others following the same lines. There is a lot of other good information there too. Thanks for your interest and let me know if I can be of any more help. JON http://www.summitsoftware.com/Ostfriesen/
MANNINGA, GEORGE W (1910 U.S. Census) Illinois , OGLE, MARION TWP, Age 35, Male, Race: White, Born: GERM Series: T624 Roll: 314 Page: 207
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