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Title: 7-5-97. Letter from Marilyn McKenna
Author: Marilyn McKenna
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Title: (36) Hobart Birth Registry, Ref 203.
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Title: 13-12-97. Letter from Ian Paynter
Author: Ian Paynter
Text: Sender: Ian Paynter Date: 13 Dec 1997
Dear Andrea,
Great to see someone trying to unravel our Mckenna family tree. I started to make some inroads whilst we were in New South Wales, but let it lapse when we came over here.
Fortunately, I've kept all my letters and info from around the coutnry and can help a little bit by going through the tree that you sent me.
Information from a eltter from 1316 Rose Paynter on 1-5-83. Rose is in a nursing home in perth and well past uttering a coherent sentence!
#40 Mary Ann Mackerall came from Lavender Farm in Lambeth, England and had 1 broter and 3 sisters. (Somewhere I saw a photo of one of our Australian members of the family outside Lavender farm. He was in WWI uniform.)
I have a copy of the marriage certificate, No 1886, of Charles Joseph Mckenna to Mary Mackrell in Hobart Town on 4-3-1878. Mary was illiterate and placed a cross on the certificate.
Mary had twin nieces, Lydia and Louise. Lydia had a daugter Florence, who married Jack Morley. They had Kieth, joan, and Doris. Kieth had a son and two daughters, of which on daughter became a doctor. Kieth used to own a newspaper, but the son has two newsagencies in Ormond, Victoris.
#131 Mary Isabel was born in Sandy Bay Road, Hobart Town at the foot of Mt Wellington. the house was there in the early 70's when #1312 Ted visited there. I have also seen a water colour paining of the house and surrounds but can't remember where. She died on 19-4-1947 and is buried with Jabez in te Anglican protion of the Kalgoolie Cemetery.
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Title: 07-06-97. Email from Ian Stokell
Page: BDM Tas 1803-1899 Ref 203/33
Author: Ian Stokell
Text: June 04, 1997 From: Ian Stokell <istok@southcom.com.au>
Not doing research on Mckenna family but have the CD rom of BDM for Tas 1803-1899 and found the following:
Marriage Charles Mckenna (23) m Mary Mackerell (20) at Hobart 04/03/1878 Ref. 428/37
There are 8 births registered to this couple:
Mary Isabel Hobart 09-08-1878 Ref. 203/33
Charles Hobart 19-08-1879 Ref. 1020/33 Died (0) 25-08-1879 Ref. 2035/35
Charles Edward Hobart 04-04-1881 Ref. 2472/33
Margaret Rose Hobart 07-04-1882 Ref. 3412/33
Benjamin Hobart 03-07-1883 Ref. 991/33 Died (0) 04-08-1883 Ref. 1051/35
Monteford Hobart 25-07-1884 Ref. 2080/33
Emily Hobart 13-05-1886 Ref. 966/33 Died (1) 11-07-1887 Ref. 836/35
Richard Edward Hobart 14-08-1887 Ref. 716/33
so you have all the surviving children.
Charles Mckenna (32) died in Hobart 11-07-1887 (Ref. 837/35) don't know if this is your Charles Edward but his age fits the age of Charles when he married Mary Mackrell.
The references like 837/35 are Archives of Tasmania numbers and may be used to obtain photocopies of the certificates.
Hope this is of intrest and assistance to you.
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Title: 09-10-1997. Letter from Marilyn McKenna
Page: ref 203
Author: Marilyn McKenna
Text: Sender: Marilyn Mckenna Date: 09-10-1997
My (Andrea Kahle) comments (NR=Not related)
Dear Andy,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you as I have had a few interuptions. First Pop ad I started to pack up his stuff. He is shifting into Moe fairly soo. Then I had two bouts of a 24 hour virus a fortnight apart. Now I can finally get myself going again.
I have been to the library and used the microfiche and got some information on the Bridgfords. Its sketchy but it was enought to get started. Also I have been to the Mormon Church and boy what a time I had in there. I copied all the info on the Mckennas from the Tamanian records and checked the dates etc with our info and 99% of it is right. However, the birthdate for Elizabeth mary Mckenna - Daughter of Charles and Catherine Mchugo, showed up as Born on 15 august 1852 (confirmed Ref.1635, photocopy on file).
Now a Charles Mckenna came up on screen as having died age 57 and the date he died was 24 Sept 1875. His re. No 2981. His parents names weren't listed.(note has been made to order a copy from Tas Archives).
I went to the library again and I checked on Shipping records. I found a Chrles Mckenna came out to Australia from Ireland in 1853 at age 33, on the Lady Kennaway which Departed Southhapton 09/05/1853 and arrived in Melbourne 15-08-1853. A Catherine McHugh (spelt exactly as written) came out on the same ship but in Dec 1848. Interesting huh. It gets better.
If the Charles Mckenna who came out in 1853 aged 33 would have had to be born in 1820. Now if he is the same bloke as the one listed in the Tasmanian records who died age 57 years, that means the dates are out by 2 years. right, a Rose Ann Mckenna came out to Australia on the Lady Kennaaway in Aug 1853 and she was 28 years old. Lets just hope these two are brother & sister I would guess they are.
A friend of mine suggest I write to the Genealogy society of Victory, 252 Swanston St, Melb, and send a stamp self addressed envelope and ask them if they know anyone researchig the name Mckenna and they will write back and tell you yes or no. If yes, they send a list of people who are doing that reasearch.
Am enclsoikgn Pops birth & wedding cerfificate and also a list from the microfish from the Tasmanian records. I know you have all the dates etc. but I wanted you to have my copy as well.
As promised am enclosing two copies of the info from the Mormon Church records in the family history section. some of th dates are a bit iffy but I copied as to what came up on the screen. I will also attach an additional note on each sheet to explain some theories I have about that particular peron marked. I hope you can undertand all this. Send me an update sheet asap so I can fill in the blanks as I go. I may have to enlarge the one I have. It's getty very dog eared.
Well I am going now. Let me know what you think about all this info I have left the Bridgeford side for the moment and will concentrate on Mckenna's. I still haven't heard from Terry Mckenna. If you get stuck or a new lead Ring Me.
When checking on names, check on all spelling eg Tulloch, Tullock, Currie, Curry etc... As I found a person who spet their name Tullock.
Love ya Heaps
Marilyn
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Cyril Horlock - Nothing as yet.
Lillian Margaret - Was the 7th child born to Jane Mckenna and Heny Horlock
Arthur Tulloch - This is a bit of a doosey. I need to recheck this one again as I may have written death down instead of birth.
Edward Currie - Need to recheck
Cissy, Lear, Margaret Curry - Nothing as yet. They may come under Curry. Haven't check yet.
Jane and Francis Sexton - Didn't give parents names and they were the only two listed on screen
Clarence - Have no idea where the town is
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Surname Name Age Father, Mother (or Spouse) Place Date Reg No.
Horlock Cecil b - - - 17 Oct 1879 2130 (NR)
" Cecil Vivian d 2 Henry Charles, Jane Mckenna Hobart 9 Jan 1891 1167 (confirmed)
" Henry Charles b - Henry Charles, Jane Mckenna Gordon Tas 19 Jan 1885 1765 (confirmed)
" Henry Charles m 22 Jane Mary Mckenna Hobart 4 Dec 1884 369 (confirmed)
" Leslie Gordon b - Henry Charles, Jane Mary Mckena Hobart 30 Jun 1886 1055 (confirmed)
" Lillian Margaret b - Henry Charles, Jane Mary Mckena Gordon Tas 11 Aug 1889 1739 (confirmed)
" Lillian Margaret d - Henry Charles, Jane Mary Mckena Gordon Tas 19 Aug 1889 840 (confirmed)
" Rufus Reginald b - Henry Charles, Jane Mary Mckena Gordon Tas 5 Sept 1887 1783 (confirmed)
" Vera Mary Jane b Henry Charles, Jane Mary Mckena - 2 Feb 1895 886
Tulloch Arthur m 25 Elizabeth Mckenna (29) Hobart 30 Nov 1882 478
" Arthur d 28 - Hobart 24 April 1857 231
" Imelda Elizabeth b - Arthur, Elizabeth Mckenna Hobart 30 Dec 1890 1142
" Mary b - Arthur, Elizabeth Mckenna Hobart 11 Sept 1885 245
" Frances Mildred b - Arthur, Elizabeth Mckenna Hobart 2 Dec 1894 727
Currie Andrew Malcolm b - Arthur, Kate Mckenna Hobart 11 July 1898 790
" Arthur Samuel Watts m 29 Katie Mckenna (24) Hobart 19 Oct 1892 279
" Arthur Edward Walter b - Arthur Samuel Watts, Katie Mckenna Clarence 20 Nov 1893 278
" Edward d 72 - Hobart 1 Mar 895 1600
(Not possible) Sexton Jane d 45 - - 2 Sept 1888 535 (NR)
(Not possible) Sexton Francis d 38 - - 19 Sept 1875 2991 (NR)
Note: Dates and places may relate to the date and place of registration, not necessarily of the event.
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Charles Mckenna - Refert to letter
Christopher Peter McKenna - Came up on screen as Peter. The birth date given 25 Dec 1863. On the enclosed handwritten
photo copied sheet, his birthdate showed up as 25 Dec 184 which to me I think is the same person.
Cathleen, Charles, Christopher - All born to Christopher Mckenna and Mary Jane Lane don't seem to correspond with the name of
the children the the family tree sheet thats already done.
Jacob - Born to Catherine mckenna in 1856. Could be Cathein McHugo's child. he doesn't belong to
Catherine and Arthur Currie as dates don't correspond. Catherine - She died age 47. Death date 18 Aug 1854. (I wonder if this is Cathine McHugo)
May have written date down wrong. But I just realized it can't be. Date doesn't add up with
children's birth dates. Surname Name Age Father, Mother (or Spouse) Place Date Reg No.
McKenna Benjamin b - Charles, Mary Mackerall Hobart 3 July 1883 991
" Catherine b - Charles, Catherine McHugo Hobart 2 Nov 1867 9667
" Charles b - Charles, Mary Mackerall Hobart 19 Aug 1879 1020
" Charles d - Charles, Mary Mackerall Hobart 25 Aug 1879 2035
" Charles d 57 - - 24 Sept 1875 2981
" Charles Edward m 27 Mary Mackerall (20) Hobart 4 Mar 1878 428
" Charles Edward b - Charles, Mary Mackerall Hobart 4 April 1881 2472
" Christopher Peter m 26 Mary Jane Lane (28) Hobart 21 Sept 1892 176
" Elizabeth m 29 Arthur Tulloch (25) Hobart 30 Nov 1882 478
" Elizabeth b - Charles, Catheine McHugo Hobart 15 Aug 1852 1635
" Emily b - Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 13 May 1886 966
" Emily d 1 Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 11 July 1887 836
" Jane Mary b - Charles, Catheine McHugo Hobart 23 Mar 1861 4191
" Jane Mary m 23 Henry Charles Horlock (22) Hobart 4 Dec 1884 369
" Margaret Rose b - Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 7 April 1882 3412
" Mary m - Patrick Sexton Hobart 3 Sept 1874 330
" Mary Isabel b - Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 9 Aug 1878 203
" Peter b - Charles, Catheine McHugo Hobart 25 Dec 1863 6570
" Richard Edward b - Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 14 Aug 1887 716
" Monteford b - Charles, Catheine Mackerall Hobart 25 July 1884 2080
" Cathleen b - Christopher, Mary Jane Lane Hobart 21 June 1896 565
" Charles b - Christopher, Mary Jane Lane Hobart 30 Jan 1893 289
" Christopher b - Christopher, Mary Jane Lane Gordon 27 Sept 1899 844
" Christpher b - Christopher, Mary Jane Lane Gordon 2 Nov 1899 309
" Jacob b - Catherine Mckenna - 24 May 1856 1361
" Catherine d 47 - - 18 Ag 1854 1432
Note: Dates and places may relate to the date and place of registration, not necessarily of the event.
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Title: 01-06-1997. Letter from Lola Semmel
Page: no date
Text: Sender: Lola Semmel Date: 01-06-1997
Dear Andrea
Thankyou for forwarding your Mckenna family tree so far. I am pleased to help where I can As I explained to Mont and Rita, I need to give Janine Krokmal some time to find her family information. She recently moved house and these papers are packed away in boxes containing belongings of her deceased mother, Valerie Hallowell.
Meanwhile, if I may, I would like to point out to you a few errors that I noticed when reading the tree. These are facts in my mind but you will be able to verify them with documents. I will not what I see as errors first, then photocopy for you what verification I have.
1. Note the spelling of Hollowell
2. I believe Mackrell is the correct spelling of my Granmothers maiden name.
3. Birth order is incorrect, to my knowledge it should read, Charles, Isabel, Rose, Monetford, Edward (my father) and Sydney Hickman.
4. My mothers maiden name was Maxfield, not Maxwell.
5. My parents had a son Ronald Edward who died on 24-05-27 an infant aged 5 1/2 weeks.
6. Rose married an Alfred Briant spelt with an i. I can't find anything pertaining to that on dates.
Have you contacted anyone for Isabel Mckenna's descendants? I can give you a reasonably accurate record of them. I will forward to you the address of Edward Mhoney and Ian Paynter when I go to Adelaide at the end of the month. You may not know that our son, Peter Anthony is married to Maxine Howden who is Ann Mahoney's granddaughter. I will look forward to seeing that written up on your tree.
The order of birth of Isabel's (Mckenna) family is (She married Edward Mahoney)
Ellen May (Nellie) died 23-05-89 (spinster)
Edward Charles married, 2 sons Edward (lives in South Australia) and Ronald (dec)
Annie Mary (Ann) D: 05-08-88, m. James Howden (dec), 2 sons Monteford James and Max Robert
Isabel married Jabec Paynter, children Sydney and Rose.
No details but Ian Paynter is Sydney's son, if I can locate him through Ted Mahoney or Montiford Howden. Mont is Annie (Mahoney) son, he is married to Gaye Kierman. Their daughter Maxine is married to our Peter (Semmel). They have a son Mark who is single.
I hope you can follow this, hopefully Mont or Ted Mahoney can fill in a few details on their side. Ann has another son Max who lives in Canada.
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Isabel Mckenna m. Edward Mahoney
Children: Ellen May (Nellie) D: 23-05-89
Edward Charles m. Children: Edward (lives in South Australia) Ronald (dec) Annie Mary (Ann) D: 05-08-88, m. James Howden (dec) Children: Monteford James m. Gaye Kierman Children: Maxine m. Peter (Semmel) Children: Mark Max Robert (lives in Canada) Isabel m. Jabec Paynter Children: Sydney m. Children: Ian Paynter Rose -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At last I will write our details.
Edward Richard Mckenna B: Hobart, 14-08-1887 D: Melbourne, 06-06-72 m.19-04-26 Frances Ada Maxfield (B: Melbourne, 26-07-1896)
(D: Melbourne, 27-04-1977) Rondald Edward Mckenna D: infancy 24-05-27
Lola Frances Mckenna (B: 16-11-33) m. (2-10-54, Gardenvale) Thomas John Semmel (B: Brighton Melbourne, 25-07-27)
Children: Peter Anthony (B: Melbourne 10-08-59) m. (10-11-84) Maxine Patricia Howden (B: 07-01-60)
Children: Tahnee Patricia (B: 26-05-88) Lauren Kate (B: 27-11-90) Some of this seems a bit disjointed, please ask me again if you need. I must be getting tired, making spelling mistakes.
I have also a copy of a tree given to me by Bonnie Kenny who claims to be a cousin of the Mckennas. I see there are no dates, I will ask her if she has any pertaining dates next time I see her. She is 80. Mum and Dad could never work out the relationship to her and her mother who was a tulloch.
I will photocopy these documents I have tomorrow and then post them all to you.
Good luck with this effort, I'll look forward to hearing from you again.
Kind Regards Lola.
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