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Note: 1900 Census, Jasper Twp, Dallas Co., MO states John owns his property and lists him as illiterate and a farmer.
From: Jerri Chasteen <jerri@@cherokee.net>
To: Ray Chastain <rayc@@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Genealogy
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 8:54 PM
Ray- Sorry I didn't answer your earlier post, but my mail has
just about gotten "out of hand" considering the other Tribal
duties and projects that I'm involved in.
Ray-- did you say that you had been looking for YEARS and had
found "little information" on you family? I would advise you to
look MUCH closer or get yourself a good book on doing standard
genealogical research. Keep in mind that most of the records in
my library are of Indians, and (comparatively) I don't have much
on Missouri--. Now let me tell you what I found in less than 30
minutes-- NOT on Internet; but here in this room. It has taken me
much longer than that to write this message!
John (born 1853- MO) was the son of William and Mahala
Chasteen-- born in KY & Indiana. William died in 1856 intestate
(no will) -- but Mahala and Commodore White (next door neighbor
in 1860) were appointed administrators over his estate in Laclede
County (you should be able to get the records). Mahala and her
three sons; John (age 7), Elijah (age 6) and William (age 5), are
shown on the 1860 Laclede census, living not far from (obviously)
her deceased husband's brother; John Chasteen. Mahala "Casteen"
is then shown on the 1870 Dallas Co census-- with the three boys
and two other children; Lee Grant (age 4) and Louisa (age 3). The
other Chasteens who are shown on the 1860 census; John (born 1826
KY); Robert (born 1827 IN); both of their wives and the children
who were born between 1847 to 1857, were born in Indiana -- the
same as Mahala. This should tell you when the Chasteens left KY
and went to Indiana, then from Indiana into Missouri. You should
be able to find John and Mary A. on the 1850 Indiana census, with
a 3 year old son named George-- and a 1 year old daughter named
Alsada.
They were following a VERY standard migration pattern; most
families coming from VA into KY (to take up Rev War Bounty land),
then their children going into Indiana (when the Piankashaw,
Miami, Wea and Shawnee Indians were removed to Kansas), then into
MO to homestead that land.
re; "CHEROKEE PRINCESS"-- That "title" is a 100% "white-man"
MYTH, which has become quite a sore-spot to us, because we
usually only hear it from the mouths of what we call; "Indian
Wantabees". NO Cherokee (or person who have ever read anything
about the Cherokee culture) would ever claim that his grandmother
was "a Princess" -- because that would be totally insulting to
the grandmother. "A daughter of a Chief" had no status in the
tribe, except what she, herself, earned -- and had she been so
pretentious to even ALLOW herself to be so called because of her
FATHER'S accomplishment (his earning of the status of Chief) --
she would have disgraced not only her father, but also her entire
family and clan.
I hope that you wouldn't think that I'm telling you that because "I
didn't have one"-- so let me explain; I have four grandfathers
(of various degrees) who were chiefs-- and one; Charles Hicks,
died in 1827 while he was the Principal Chief.
Best of luck to follow through on this--
jc
(PS-- my dec'd husbands family was white-- and came from SC and central GA-- no apparent relationship to yours)
--
Jerri (Rogers) Chasteen-- mailto:jerri@@cherokee.net
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To: Ray Chastain <rayc@@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Genealogy
Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:52 PM
Not having the 1890 census IS a real handicap, but you made the
right move-- the SS application. I'll ask a stupid question; did
you ever consider that he could have been working and living with
another family-- perhaps helping his GRANDMOTHER?? Have you run
the Soundex on the state of MO, AR, OK and KS? REMEMBER-- I found
Mahala listed as "Casteen" on the 1870 census -- only because I
am used to people mis-spelling MY name!
I would next try for his future wife's name. it's pretty unique.
Soundex for that name, then pull up the actual census -- and see
if by chance he is working at the farm next door. At that time in
history, "Guys" ( -- being a lazy bunch <grin>) usually didn't
"court" over 20 miles away from where they lived!
No thanks necessary-- I had fun doing it and teaching you to LOOK
before you yell! But SO many times I have been able to take the
same, identical information, and because I may use just a bit
more imagination or a little different method, can find
information that the first person "walked" right over!
Besides-- I'll confess! I have "help" on the genealogy that I do
<grin>. I don't know if it is because I am Indian or just
ultra-receptive to them, but I call them "my Spirits" -- If I get
on the wrong track, my "Spirits" will dump the RIGHT book off of
the shelf and hit me in the head with it-- LITERALLY--- once in
the middle of the main LDS Library in Salt Lake City UT! And it
has been this way for over 20 years! It frightened me at first--
but I have gotten so that I depend on it for tough cases (yours
wasn't-- it was a "no brainer"). Now, I just look up and say
"thank you!", pick up the book and get the information-- I
already know it is there. Some of my experiences (all TRUE) have
been written about in a series of books-- called "Physic
Research". Some people believe in it -- some don't; I just
smile-- a LOT!
When you look in Indiana for the marriage records of the Chasteen
brothers-- and the 1850 census, try Scott County first!-- O.K. ?? jc
A John CHASTAIN Junior purchased 160 acres in Dallas Co, MO on January 18, 1892 under the Homestead Entry Act of May 20, 1862. Document #6330; Misc. Document #10760. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov . RC
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