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Note: More proof the Widow Howell wasn't the one that married Peter Hallock: http://gen.roc.wayne.edu/genealogy/dph/d0002/g0000023.html#8685 BURIAL: 2 Jul 1630, Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire, England _______________ Posted to Howell GenForum and a similar post to the Hallock GenForum: Hi: The Hallock genealogy says that Margaret Howell m William Hallock, say 1640, and her brother, Richard Howell, married her daughter, Elizabeth Hallock, say 1675. (ie uncle married a niece). Further,the Hallock genealogy says that their mother, identified only as the "Widow Howell", married William Hallock's father, Peter Hallock, the immigrant, circa 1640 (no children). I'm interested if anyone has any knowledge of the origins of this Howell family. The Hallock genealogy, last updated in 1926, indicates their origins are unknown, as are Peter Hallock's. I've seen a couple of web pages that show the above Margaret was Margaret, the daughter of Edward and Francis (Paxton) Howell, but that appears to be a misidentification and an error, as the Howell genealogy shows: Emma Howell Ross, DESCENDANTS OF EDWARD HOWELL, Bapt. 1584; D. 1655.; Winchester Massachusetts, The University Press, 1968; p. 1,2. " Margaret Howell [son of] (Edward1), bapt. Nov. 24, 1622; m. (1) Rev. John Moore in Lynn, Mass., b. 1620, d. Sept. 17, 1657; m. (2) Francis Doughty, son of Rev. Francis Doughty. Issue: (Moore)- John, Gershom, Joseph, Samuel, Elizabeth. This family is completely written up by James W. Moore, a Late Professor at Lafayette College, Easton, PA." Thanks for any info you might have on these folks. Norris Taylor _______________ In reference to a database, here: http://www.ourancestry.com/ancestors.shtml Edward Howell, here: http://www.ourancestry.com/gedcom/d0006/g0000200.html#I48580 To: cousins@ourancestry.com Subject: Reconciling Howell and Hallock Genealogies From: nmt1@ix.netcom.com (Norris) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:33:15 GMT Hi: I am a Peter Hallock descendant. I stumbled across your web page and was intrigued by the early Howell / Hallock contacts that you show. I notice that most of your info of that period seems to from Ancestral File... is there a published Howell genealogy or have you done work yourself in this area to show the conflicting family arrangements with the Hallock genealogy? The basis of the Hallock genealogy was the beginning work by William Hallock at about the time of the Civil War and published in 1866. It has been updated twice (I've heard there is a third, recent, update which I haven't seen). My understanding is that most of the early Long Island info was from living 80 year olds at the time of the Civil War and has been combed over by many genealogists over the past 150 years. To my knowledge, no conflicting info has arisen, but in some case, not a lot of supporting documentation either. The primary differences I see, at first blush are; Per the Hallock genealogy: The Widow Howell who married Peter Hallock, the immigrant, was widowed before she left England. That Widow Howell was the mother of Margaret Howell, who married Peter's son William, and then, in turn a daughter, Elizabeth Hallock, of that union married a son of Margaret: Richard Howell. Father unknown, and thought NOT to be related to Edward Howell, the Long Island immigrant. You have the Hallock Howell's and the Edward Howell's all combined, it appears. Richard Howell and Margaret Howell as kids of Edward.. etc. I would be interested in knowing about the sources and documentation of the Edward Howell and Peter Hallock families links at those point, because, as far as I know, for 150 years of genealogical research, the two Howell's that married Hallock's weren't tied into Edward Howell.... I have a web page on Family History of the Hallock's here: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/baldwin/index.html if you care to visit. Thanks for any info you have.... Norris Taylor _________________ This conflicts with the Hallock genealogy: Edward HOWELL BIRTH: 26 JUL 1584, Westburymanor, Marshgibbon, Buckingham, England DEATH: 6 OCT 1655, Southampton, Suffolk Co., Long Island, New York EVENT: 26 JUL 1584, Of, Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire, England CHR EVENT: Southampton, Long Island, , New York BURI EVENT: 23S8-4J AFN EVENT: 12 OCT 1909 BAPL EVENT: 5 NOV 1909 ENDL REFN: 48580zor Family 1: Eleanor Family 2: Eleanor HOWELL Family 3: Frances PAXTON MARRIAGE: 7 APR 1616, Odell, Bedfordshire, England 1.Henry HOWELL 2.Dorothy HOWELL 3.Margaret HOWELL 4.John HOWELL 5.Edward HOWELL 6.Margery HOWELL 7.Richard HOWELL 8.Richard HOWELL ____________________ http://www.ourancestry.com/gedcom/d0000/g0000085.html#I48572 Frances PAXTON BIRTH: 1584, Of Odell, Bedfordshire, England DEATH: 2 FEB 1629/30, Lynn, Essex Co., Mass. EVENT: 2 JUL 1630, Westbury Manor, Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire, England BURI EVENT: 8J2Q-95 AFN EVENT: 9 AUG 1994, Boise BAPL EVENT: 12 OCT 1994, Boise ENDL REFN: 48572zor Family 1: Edward HOWELL MARRIAGE: 7 APR 1616, Odell, Bedfordshire, England 1.Henry HOWELL 2.Dorothy HOWELL 3.Margaret HOWELL 4.John HOWELL 5.Edward HOWELL 6.Margery HOWELL 7.Richard HOWELL 8.Richard HOWELL ____________ One of these guys married an Edmund Howell, of Southampton, prob son of Edward Howell. JUDSON, ISAAC, Stratford, eldest s. of Jeremiah of the same, by w. Mary had Mary, whose h. is not mark.; and Eliz. b. 10 Oct. 1681. JAMES, Stratford, sec. s. of Joseph of the same, m. 18 Aug. 1680, Re-becca, d. of the sec. Thomas Welles of Hartford, had Hannah, b. 30 May 1681; Sarah, 16 Feb. 1683; Rebecca, 25 Feb. 1685, d. young; Joseph, 10 Jan. 1687; James, 30 Apr. 1689; Phebe, 2 Oct. 1691; and David, 7 Aug. 1693. His w. d. 3 Nov. 1717; and he m. 20 Nov. 1718, Ann, wid. of James Steele of Wethersfield, d. of Samuel Welles, cous. of his first w. and d. 25 Feb. 1721; and his wid. d. 1739. JERE-MIAH, Stratford, S. of William, b. in Eng. freem. 1658, m. 1632, Sarah, d. of Nathaniel Foote, wh. d. 1673, had Isaac, b. 10 Mar. 1653; Mary, 31 Dec. 1655; Eliz. 24 Feb. 1638; Sarah, 7 Apr. 1662; Mercy, 1 or JUDSON. 576 14 June 1665; and Jeremiah, 1 Mar. 1671. His w. d. 1673, and he m. Catharine, wid. of Thomas Fairchild; was long paralyt. d. 15 May 1701, and his wid. d. May 1706. JOHN, Stratford 1671, eldest s. of Joseph of the same, m. 12 Mar. 1673, Eliz. d. of John Chapman of Stamford, had John, b. 12 Mar. 1676; Joshua, 23 July 1678; Joseph, 24 Oct. 1679; Chapman, bapt. Dec. 1681, d. bef. 19 yrs.; Jonathan, Dec. 1682, d. soon; Jonathan, again, Dec. 1684; Martha, Dec. 1686; Eliphalet, Feb. 1689; Ephraim, Sept. 1691; but perhaps some of the latter four were by sec. w. Hannah, wh. d. 23 July 1698; and he m. third w. July 1699, Mary Orton of Farmington, had Isaac, bapt. 2 June 1700; Daniel, Feb. 1702; Mary, Apr. 1704; and Jeremiah, whose date is not found; and d. 12 Jan. 1709. *JOSEPH, Stratford. s. prob. eldest of William, b. in Eng. freem. 1658, rep. 1659-67, a milit. officer much trust. in for Philip's war, after wh. he rem. to Woodbury. Prob. he liv. there not long but went back to S. where all his ch. were b. and he d. 8 Oct. 1690, aged 71. He m. 24 Oct. 1644, Sarah, d. of John Porter of Windsor, had Sarah, b. 2 Mar. 1646, wh. m. 1 Nov. 1664, *** Edmund Howell *** of Southampton, L. I.; John, 2 Dec. as Cothren says, but 10 Dec. 1647, as Goodwin gives it; James, 24 Apr. 1650; Grace, 19 Feb. 1652; Joseph, 10 Mar. 1654, d. under 24 yrs. unm.; Hannah, 13, but Goodwin says, 31 Dec. 1657; Esther, 20 Aug 1660; Joshua, and Ruth, tw. 27 Oct. 1664, of wh. Joshua d. soon; Phebe, 29 Oct. 1666; and Abigail, 15 Sept. 1669; but Cothren gives an earlier Joshua, 3 Dec. 1658. may be error. His wid. d. 16 Mar. 1696. He had made his will at Woodbury, 27 Feb. 1680, nam. two s. and six ds. Grace m. 30 Dec. 1669, Samuel Prudden; and Esther m. 23 Mar. 1680, Benjamin Curtis. JOSHUA, Stratford 1650, br. of the preced. b. in Eng. had Joshua, b. 3 Dec. 1658; Samuel, 27 Aug. 1660; and Ann, wh. m. Arthur Perry, and may have been the eldest of the ch. He d. 1661, and his wid. Ann m. 24 Nov. or 10 Dec. (for Goodwin gives both), 1662, John Hurd of Stratford, call. junr. to disting. him from ano. John. SAMUEL, Dedham 1646, or earlier, for in the spr. of that yr. his wid. Bridget d. as the ch. rec. says. He m. Mary, wid. of Henry Aldrich, and in his will, 7 June 1657, pro. 30 July foll. provides for her two s. by A. and his own three ds. Mary, Sarah, and Esther. His wid. Page 323.... more there.....
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