Note: Hi Ed: In your helpful post below, you state that Agnes de Ferrers, wife of Robert de Muscegros (died 1280), was the mother of his daughter, Hawise de Muscegros (born 1276), who married John de Ferrers and John de Bures. Actually it appears that Agnes was NOT Hawise's mother. My research indicates that late in life Agnes conveyed her maritagium in Chinnor, co. Oxford to the Sapy family, which action is typical in this period of an aging widow who was childless. If Agnes was truly Hawise's mother, Agnes' maritagium would almost certainly descended to Hawise and not have been sold. All the other Muscegros family holdings descended to Hawise as her father's sole heiress. Furthermore, when Hawise married Agnes' nephew, John de Ferrers, they had to obtain a dispensation to marry. In this instance, the dispensation makes no mention that Hawise and John were related by kindred, so we must assume that they were not. Rather, the dispensation was obtained for other reasons. In any case, it would have been extremely unlikely for first cousins to marry in this period. The closest near kinship I see in dispensations are for couples related in the 3rd degree or higher, which would be no closer than second cousins. Since first cousin marriages were virtually unknown, this would basically rule out any possibility of Hawise de Muscegros being that closely related to John de Ferrers. For these various reasons, I conclude that Agnes de Ferrers was not the mother of Hawise de Muscegros. Sincerely, Douglas Richardson
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