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Note: N1812 Name: Thelinis/Teunis; Came from theNetherlands in 1663; arrived on the "Faith". (1664?)
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Of Interest: On the ship "Otter", ("Otter" & "Gilded Otter"may be same vessel), 27 Apr 1660, was a Peter Teunis, from Flensburg.
1715 Oct 12; Jeremiah Borres, Cornelia Eckeson; Maria; Thomas Montanje, Sara Van Aarnem
Is this the same Sara?
Email 11/22/2005 from Pete Gonigam:
"With regard to the notion that Jan Dircksz' wife Sara Theunis was the daughter of Theunis Van Salee, while it might be colorful to claim descent from a pirate and a houri or the son of a pirate and "New Amsterdam's first prostitute," it doesn't hold up. I don't know who first made this claim but, Theunis Van Salee of New Amsterdam and Gravesend, NY, indeed, had a daughter named Sara. She married a man named John Emans. However John Emans line is well-documented and he was not Jan Dirckszen (Van Arnhem). Furthermore, Sara Theunis, "j.d.van Rotterdam" looks to have been born, between about 1634 and 1646 at which time Theunis Van Salee had been in Nieuw Netherlands for 5-15years. (As had his two brothers; their sister supposedly stayed in Morroco). To have been born in 1729 when Van Sallee left Holland, Sara Theunis would have had to be 51 years old when she had her twins in 1781 which is perhaps possible but not very likely. It's true that Tryntie Grevenraedt, apparently the sister of Theunis Van Salee's second wife, Metje, witnessed the baptism of Jan Dircksz and Sara Theunis' first child; however this was 1-5 years before Metje married Van Salee. Try as will, I can't torture this information into even the possibility of a blood connection; Jan Dirksz (Van Arnhem)'s wife Sara Theunis appears to have been, not the daughter of a pirate and a prostitute, but merely of some guy in Amsterdam named Tony."
12-2006 Gonigam
....Sara Theunis lived to at least 1716. She petitioned then as "a poor widow" for a small plot of land (fairly near the Eckersons) on which to build a house.
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/nnship34.shtml
DE TROUW (FAITH) January 1664 Source unless otherwise noted: Lists Of Inhabitants Of Colonial New York by Edmund Bailey O'Callaghan Chapter entitled Early Immigrants to New Netherland 1657-1664
∑ Maarcelis Jansen van Bommel; farmer
∑ Evert Tack, from the Barony of Breda
∑ Lysbet Arens, from Amsterdam, and child [re NWI- child 8 years old]
∑ Johannis Hardenbroeck, from Elberveld, and Wife and four children [re NWI children were 8,6,5 and 3]
∑ Janneken Juriaensen, from Gorcum
∑ Corneliss Cornelissen Vernoey, and Wife and sucking child
∑ Lysbet de Roode, from Dantzick, Wife of John Saline, and child [reNWI child was 3 years old]
∑ Sara Teunis
We can add the following names as found in Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3
* Daniel de Hondecoutre, bachelor, engaged by Pieter van den Beilcken merchant in Leyden for 4 years to trade on his behalf in New Netherland [NNC]
* Norbardus Bodas, soldier from Antwerp, in service of WIC [NNC]
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DeTrouw made the trip with some regularity. The last one before the Dutch surrender of New Amsterdam left Netherlands Jan. 19, 1664,arriving Apr.17. 1664. That 1659 voyage with 108 passengers listed, however, provides some sort of measure of the actual capacity of DeTrouw. There could have been many more aboard on the 1664 voyage than the 13 adults and 7 children known from the ship's books and notarial records.--pete
Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem) isn't any of the many other Jan Dircks's during the period in New Amsterdam. In the first place most of them have their own documented histories, anyway. More important, though, look at the date of baptism of Jan Dircks' first child, daughter Dirkje. Then look at the date De Trouw reached port. Unless you resort to unnecessarily complicated explanations, Sara Theunis was at least a month pregnant when when she disembarked the ship which had been at sea for three months. Again, unless you resort to complicated( indeed, wholly unlikely) explanations, Jan Dircks is the guy who made her that way so he was on the ship, too. De Trouw and Gekruyste Hart both left Amsterdam within a day of each other at the wrong time of the year for the voyage. However, it was the right time of year for WIC to send about 200 soldiers to New Amsterdam to protect against an anticipated attack by the British. There's no record I can find that soldiers were aboard the two ships but the ships had to have been carrying something. There are indications the New Amsterdam garrison was considerably larger after the ships had arrived. Stuyvesant in Jan 1664 had sent a letter to the company requesting 400 reinforcements but he was at the end of the news chain and the WIC directors were at the front end. They could read the tea leaves as well as he could and long before he even got a squint at them in any case.
Don't ask me how Jan Dircks and Sara managed to do it on a little ship packed with a company of soldiers in the middle of the Atlantic in Winter. "Love laughs at locks," and a lot of other impediments if I recall the days of my youth correctly. (There's a remote chance the ships might have dropped reinforcements at Guyana or the Antilles before swinging north to New Amsterdam; I haven't been able to figure out an average length of time for a winter crossing because it's not clear if there ever were any others.)
There should be WIC and notarial records on all this. However they're going to be in Dutch and they're going to be in the Netherlands. Assuming they survived 350 years of fires, floods, bugs, rats and God knows what else in the first place.
I'd really love to know who in New Amsterdam paid Sara's passage on DeTrouw (the only reason we know about it at all is that it wasn't paid at the Amsterdam end) but I've never been able to find that.
--pete
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Related?
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:09:08 -0800 From: "Howard Swain"<hswain@@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Conveyance dated24 May 1644 to Anthony Janszen Van Salee To:<Dutch-Colonies@@rootsweb.com>
Hi Ethel, From: <ETHELKK@@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 20066:03 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Conveyance dated 24 May 1644 toAnthony Janszen Van Salee
This property was in New Amsterdam on the north side of Bridge St.near the Broad St. end. The conveyance is described in Stokes'Iconography II:382 (Lot E-13) Abraham Jacobsen van Steenwyck had one of the original Dutch grants. This is shown on the map PL. 87 in vol II. See Lot #E-13. He sold to Anthony the western part next to Hendrick Kip, whose lot there you will also see on the map. As to units, see Stokes' footnote [1] on p. 357 (of vol II): "After many calculations and comparisons, the best working standard was found to be 1 Dutch rod = 12 ft. 6 ins., English; 1 Dutch foot = 11 inches,English." Clearly a grain is a part of an inch. I don't know how much. The biggest number of grains I see cited is 9 grains. So, it seems there are at least 10 grains to an inch. Regards, Howardhswain@@ix.netcom.com
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In addition Anthony Van Salee's brother Abraham was part of thatVirginia load of Huguenots. There's no indication of how he happened to be in that group - as a paid passenger or as perhaps a captive. He apparently arrived in Virginia about the same time his brother came toNNL. Would love to learn more about that. Anthony is indeed in my husband's ancestry - and likely his supposed father Jan Janszoon - areal down-home pirate. His renown based on the Sack of Baltimore and the capture of many people may be somewhat exaggerated though as CorSnabel told me he wasn't all bad - many of those captured and carried off by him ended as indentured servants. 'Would love to get that all sorted out before I check out myself. Skip2mLou
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In 1640-1641, Jan Janszoon was instrumental in facilitating the ransoming and repatriation of two or three hundred Dutchmen, who had been the crew of a ship captured by Moroccans in 1638. An ambassadorial entourage was sent from Holland to Morocco with ransom money, headed by Ambassador Anthonie de Liedekerke. Janszoon was the liaison to the Moroccan chiefs who held the enslaved crewmen. Jan Janszoon's role in this mission is known to the world because it was recounted in the travel journal of Adriaen Matham, a Dutch artist who accompanied the ranson mission to- and from Morocco. I believe that Corand I published our translation of the Matham journal here on D-Col a couple of years ago. Part of that translation is also posted on OliveTree. The fate of the once-enslaved Dutchmen who were returned toHolland in 1641 is not known to us.
Best wishes, Liz J
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