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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:03:38 -0700
From: vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> | Block address
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To: "Frank C. Turner" <frankcturner@@yahoo.com>
Subject: Jamieson update
Add Addresses Dear Frank,
Thank you for sending along the information from A.J. Duncan. What do
you make of it?
Last Thursday was a great day for family history for me. I spent a
lovely as well as informative day with Agnes and Tom Low. Thank you for
connecting me. Agnes passed along a communication she had had from
Susanne Rear Hunter in Oregon. This led to a telephone conversation
with her. She has lots of information in addition to photographs which
she will have copied to send to me.
Last night I found a message from "Debbie" on a Genforum message board
looking for info re Hugh Jamieson - Manitoba Canada to which I replied.
It follows:
"I am looking for INFO ON MY G.G. Grandfather Hugh Jamieson Jr. was born on May 12, 1878 in ? Scotland. I don't know who he
married, but he had 5 children from the first wife who died when my
grandmother was a teen the other children were smaller. He may have
been a preacher as I have his King James Teachers bible, in it is his
address in Oakland California then Cordova Manitoba. He was married
again and had three more children. He died in Swift Current
Saskatchewan on September 16, 1962."
There can be no doubt that this Hugh is the brother of my grandmother,
Jane Wallace Jamieson and Marion Struthers Jamieson. I don't know if
this will lead backwards anywhere as she does not seem to have the
information which we have.
You are far more adept with such sources than I so perhaps you have
already found this. In any event, I shall keep you posted if she
responds or you can look it up yourself
(Genforum.genealogy.com/jamieson/messages/309.html). Her message was
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:43:46 -0700
From: vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> | Block address
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To: "Frank C. Turner" <frankcturner@@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: JAMIESON SCT > CANADA
Add Addresses Yahoo!!
I am excited to tell you that you have struck paydirt. Your wife's
grandmother is the sister of my grandmother. I knew that my father had
an aunt whom they all called Aunt Minnie but it wasn't until I picked
up your e-mail that I put this all together.
My paternal grandmother was Jane Wallace Jamieson, the daughter of Hugh
Jamieson and Agnes Struthers, born in Dumbarton, Scotland on Dec 23,
1880. She had sisters named Lizzie, Minnie and Mary and a brother, Hugh
and perhaps others but not to my knowledge.
I was told that Jane had emigrated from Scotland when she was 16 yrs
old. The family lived in Minnedosa, Man. Her sister Lizzie (if I
remember correctly) married a man by the name of Rear and lived in
Oregon. Her sister, Mary was married to Tom Pepper who worked at the
sanatarium near Fort Qu'Apelle, SK. I remember visiting them once when
I was quite young. Her brother Hugh Jamieson lived in Swift Current, SK.
My father's name was James Struthers Sykes so the Struthers name
continued to at least his generation in our family.
Thank you for the details re Hugh and Agnes - I did not have their years
of birth nor place of origin in Scotland. I'm afraid that my
information is not very interesting but it does confirm the connection.
I am in contact with someone in the UK who believes that our Agnes and
her Hugh may be a match. Her brother was going to check out the
Scottish 1881 census but so far I have no news. If her brother is like
my brother ...
Would love to hear from you again in hopes that between us we can dig up
or confirm other details. I do as you bid: am cheerful and keeping the
faith.
Virginia Hunter
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:39:28 -0700
From: vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> | Block address
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To: frankcturner@@yahoo.com
Subject: More Jamieson
Add Addresses Hello, Frank
Since my earlier reply I have referred to the information received from
my contact in the UK. Here is what she had to say:
"My Hugh Jamieson, b. 1.4.1813 Bonhill married, I believe but cannot yet
prove, Agnes Gardner on 15.10.1842 at Bonhill. They had Hugh 3.12.1831,
William 19.4.1834, both b. Bonhill, Andrew 22.7.1843 Buchanan,
Stirlingshire, bap. 8.8.1843 Bonhill; Agnes 21.5.1845 Bonhill; John
Gardner 30.4.1847 Bonhill; Elisabeth aa7.9.1849 Bonhill or Buchanan;
Hugh 3.12.1851 Buchanan; Robert 8.12.1856 Bonhill, Jane 22.2.1859
Bonhill, Christine 16.3.1863 Bonhill.
It seems likely to me that Hugh 1851 was your Hugh who married Agnes
Struthers. Do you have details of their marriage? or even a marriage
certificate? My brother has offered to get the 1881 census for me, which
would help sort out if there were other Hugh Jamiesons in Dumbarton at
that time."
I think we may have a double connect here as her second Hugh's year of
birth is the same as your Hugh's, although 1) some of the children were
born before the marriage date stated and 2) the dates of birth of these
children range from 1831 - 1863, a span of 32 years which is a bit odd.
There is also the question of two sons given the name Hugh. Perhaps we
have a second marriage? One of the later born bears the name of Gardner
and is born after the marriage to Agnes Gardner so perhaps 1842 is the
date of this second marriage and she is not the mother of the first
group. As you can see, the date of marriage is in question. Anyway it
bears further examination, would you not agree?
Looking forward to your thoughts on the matter. Still happy and
faithkeeping, Virginia Hunter
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:35:53 -0700
From: vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> | Block address
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To: "Frank C. Turner" <frankcturner@@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: JAMIESON encore
Add Addresses Hello, again
Was hoping you would pick up my message to-day so was delighted to get
yours. My grandfather's name was James Havelock Sykes married to Jane
Wallace Jamieson on Dec 21, 1898 somewhere in Saskatchewan, perhaps
Swift Current perhaps Maple Creek.
I live in Calgary, AB and my telephone number is (403) 252-1225. I
would love to talk to you and Janet. Do you have a fax? I could sent
you the genealogy sheets that I am in the process of completing so you
could fill in the blank spaces.
I am also new at all this but can fill you in on what I have done.
Always happy and keeping the faith, your paydirt connection, Virginia
"Frank C. Turner" wrote:
>
> Dear Virginia,
>
> Paydirt indeed!
>
> My wife Janet has frequently spoken of Aunt Mary Pepper.
> Henry Allan was born in Minedosa and Moved to the Swift Current / Pennant,
> SK district around 1909.
>
> I am quite new to all this genealogy stuff so I don't know the protocols but
> it is good to make the conection. I live in Port Coquitlam, BC. Is a
> telphone conversation practicable or should i attempt to send a ged gom.
>
> I have a fairly complete branch below Marion Struthers Jamieson though on the
> Allan side.
>
> In your excitement you forgot to include your Grandfather's name.
>
> Keep in touch.
>
> --- vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> wrote:
> > Yahoo!!
> >
> > I am excited to tell you that you have struck paydirt. Your wife's
> > grandmother is the sister of my grandmother. I knew that my father had
> > an aunt whom they all called Aunt Minnie but it wasn't until I picked
> > up your e-mail that I put this all together.
> >
> > My paternal grandmother was Jane Wallace Jamieson, the daughter of Hugh
> > Jamieson and Agnes Struthers, born in Dumbarton, Scotland on Dec 23,
> > 1880. She had sisters named Lizzie, Minnie and Mary and a brother, Hugh
> > and perhaps others but not to my knowledge.
> >
> > I was told that Jane had emigrated from Scotland when she was 16 yrs
> > old. The family lived in Minnedosa, Man. Her sister Lizzie (if I
> > remember correctly) married a man by the name of Rear and lived in
> > Oregon. Her sister, Mary was married to Tom Pepper who worked at the
> > sanatarium near Fort Qu'Apelle, SK. I remember visiting them once when
> > I was quite young. Her brother Hugh Jamieson lived in Swift Current, SK.
> >
> > My father's name was James Struthers Sykes so the Struthers name
> > continued to at least his generation in our family.
> >
> > Thank you for the details re Hugh and Agnes - I did not have their years
> > of birth nor place of origin in Scotland. I'm afraid that my
> > information is not very interesting but it does confirm the connection.
> >
> > I am in contact with someone in the UK who believes that our Agnes and
> > her Hugh may be a match. Her brother was going to check out the
> > Scottish 1881 census but so far I have no news. If her brother is like
> > my brother ...
> >
> > Would love to hear from you again in hopes that between us we can dig up
> > or confirm other details. I do as you bid: am cheerful and keeping the
> > faith.
> >
> > Virginia Hunter
> > "Frank C. Turner" wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Virginia, I Found you e mail address on the Jamieson list at
>
> > > http://www.users.on.net/proformat/sctnames3.html
> and thought I'd check for material on the ancestors of
> Marion Struthers Jamieson, B: Dunbarton, 1891
> M: Henry Allan, 1916 Swift Current, Saskatchewan
> d: 1975 She was my wife's grandmother. Her parents:
> Hugh Jamieson B: 1851 on an island in Loch Lomond, Stirlingshire,
> Agnes Struthers B: 1852 Carlyle, Scotland any conecctions or clues?
>
> =====
> Be cheerful and keep the faith,
>
> Frank C.
>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:39:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Frank C. Turner" <frankcturner@@yahoo.com> | Block address
Subject: Jamieson Report
To: vhunter@@home.com
Add Addresses Dear Virginia,
After three abortive attempts to forward this report I think I will succed
this time, with cheer and faith.
Please feel free to edit, arrange correct or otherwise improve upon this
draft report as I have not had time to do the same yet.
Descendants of Hugh Jamieson
Generation No. 1
1. HUGH1 JAMIESON was born January 04, 1813 in Bonhill, Scotland. He
married AGNES GARDNER October 15, 1842.
Notes for HUGH JAMIESON:
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:39:28 -0700
From: vhunter <vhunter@@home.com> | Block address
Reply-to: vhunter@@home.com
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To: frankcturner@@yahoo.com
Subject: More Jamieson
Add Addresses "My Hugh Jamieson, b. 1.4.1813 Bonhill married, I believe but cannot yet
prove, Agnes Gardner on 15.10.1842 at Bonhill. They had Hugh 3.12.1831,
William 19.4.1834, both b. Bonhill, Andrew 22.7.1843 Buchanan,
Stirlingshire, bap. 8.8.1843 Bonhill; Agnes 21.5.1845 Bonhill; John
Gardner 30.4.1847 Bonhill; Elisabeth aa7.9.1849 Bonhill or Buchanan; Hugh 3.12.1851 Buchanan; Robert 8.12.1856 Bonhill, Jane 22.2.1859
Bonhill, Christine 16.3.1863 Bonhill.
More About HUGH JAMIESON and AGNES GARDNER:
Marriage: October 15, 1842
Children of HUGH JAMIESON and AGNES GARDNER are:
i. AGNES2 JAMIESON, b. May 21, 1845, Bonhill, Scotland. Notes for AGNES JAMIESON:
Agnes 21.5.1845 Bonhill;
ii. JOHN GARDNER JAMIESON, b. April 30, 1847, Bonhill, Scotland. Notes for JOHN GARDNER JAMIESON:
John Gardner 30.4.1847 Bonhill;
Elisabeth aa7.9.1849 Bonhill or Buchanan;
Hugh 3.12.1851 Buchanan;
Robert 8.12.1856 Bonhill,
Jane 22.2.1859 Bonhill,
Christine 16.3.1863 Bonhill.
iii. ELISABETH JAMIESON, b. July 09, 1849; m. UNKNOWN REAR. Notes for ELISABETH JAMIESON:
I was told that Jane had emigrated from Scotland when she was 16 yrs
> old. The family lived in Minnedosa, Man. Her sister Lizzie (if I
> remember correctly) married a man by the name of Rear and lived in
> Oregon. Her sister, Mary was married to Tom Pepper who worked at the
> sanatarium near Fort Qu'Apelle, SK. I remember visiting them once when
> I was quite young. Her brother Hugh Jamieson lived in Swift Current, SK.
>
2. iv. HUGH JAMIESON, b. March 12, 1851, Sterlingshire, Scotland, UK.
v. ROBERT JAMIESON, b. August 12, 1856. vi. JANE JAMIESON, b. February 22, 1859. vii. CHRISTINE JAMIESON, b. March 16, 1863. Generation No. 2
2. HUGH2 JAMIESON (HUGH1) was born March 12, 1851 in Sterlingshire,
Scotland, UK. He married AGNES STRUTHERS. She was born 1852 in Carlyle,
Scotland, and died Abt. 1897 in Swift Current, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Notes for HUGH JAMIESON:
> I am excited to tell you that you have struck paydirt. Your wife's
> grandmother is the sister of my grandmother. I knew that my father had
> an aunt whom they all called Aunt Minnie but it wasn't until I picked
> up your e-mail that I put this all together.
>
> My paternal grandmother was Jane Wallace Jamieson, the daughter of Hugh
> Jamieson and Agnes Struthers, born in Dumbarton, Scotland on Dec 23,
> 1880. She had sisters named Lizzie, Minnie and Mary and a brother, Hugh
> and perhaps others but not to my knowledge.
>
"My Hugh Jamieson, b. 1.4.1813 Bonhill married, I believe but cannot yet
prove, Agnes Gardner on 15.10.1842 at Bonhill. They had Hugh 3.12.1831,
William 19.4.1834, both b. Bonhill, Andrew 22.7.1843 Buchanan,
Stirlingshire, bap. 8.8.1843 Bonhill; Agnes 21.5.1845 Bonhill; John
Gardner 30.4.1847 Bonhill; Elisabeth aa7.9.1849 Bonhill or Buchanan;
Hugh 3.12.1851 Buchanan; Robert 8.12.1856 Bonhill, Jane 22.2.1859
Bonhill, Christine 16.3.1863 Bonhill.
It seems likely to me that Hugh 1851 was your Hugh who married Agnes
Struthers. Do you have details of their marriage? or even a marriage
certificate? My brother has offered to get the 1881 census for me, which
would help sort out if there were other Hugh Jamiesons in Dumbarton at
that time."
More About HUGH JAMIESON:
Occupation: Farmer
Children of HUGH JAMIESON and AGNES STRUTHERS are: i. MARY3 JAMIESON, m. TOM PEPPER; b. Saskatchewan. Notes for MARY JAMIESON:
I was told that Jane had emigrated from Scotland when she was 16 yrs
> old. The family lived in Minnedosa, Man. Her sister Lizzie (if I
> remember correctly) married a man by the name of Rear and lived in
> Oregon. Her sister, Mary was married to Tom Pepper who worked at the
> sanatarium near Fort Qu'Apelle, SK. I remember visiting them once when
> I was quite young. Her brother Hugh Jamieson lived in Swift Current, SK.
>
> My father's name was James Struthers Sykes so the Struthers name
> continued to at least his generation in our family.
ii. HUGH JAMIESON, b. Abt. 1880, Dumbarton, Scotland; d. Swift Current,
Saskatchewan, Canada.
More About HUGH JAMIESON:
Burial: Swift Current, Saskatchewan, Canada
3. iii. JANE WALLACE JAMIESON, b. December 23, 1880, Dumbarton, Scotland.
4. iv. MARIAN STRUTHERS JAMIESON, b. October 18, 1890, Dumbarton, Scotland;
d. Abt. 1950, Swift Current, Saskatchewan, Canada.
v. ANDREW JAMIESON, b. July 22, 1843, Buchanan, Sterlinshire, Scotland, UK.
Notes for ANDREW JAMIESON:
22.7.1843 Buchanan,
Stirlingshire, bap. 8.8.1843
Generation No. 3
3. JANE WALLACE3 JAMIESON (HUGH2, HUGH1) was born December 23, 1880 in
Dumbarton, Scotland. She married JAMES HAVELOCK SYKES December 21, 1898 in
Swift Current, Sakatchewan, Canada ?. He was born in Simcoe, Ontario.
Notes for JANE WALLACE JAMIESON:
Jane Wallace Jamieson, born in Dumbarton, Scotland on Dec 23,
> 1880. She had sisters named Lizzie, Minnie and Mary a brother, Hugh
> and perhaps others but not to my knowledge.
More About JAMES SYKES and JANE JAMIESON:
Marriage: December 21, 1898, Swift Current, Sakatchewan, Canada ?
Child of JANE JAMIESON and JAMES SYKES is:
5. i. JAMES STRUTHERS4 SYKES.
4. MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON (HUGH2, HUGH1) was born October 18, 1890 in
Dumbarton, Scotland, and died Abt. 1950 in Swift Current, Saskatchewan,
Canada. She met (1) HENRY ALLAN 1916 in Swift Current, Sask. Canada. He
was born September 21, 1887 in Nr. Cordova, Manitoba, and died 1954 in Swift
Current, Sask., Canada.
More About HENRY ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): 1909, Moved to Neville District
Fact 2 (2): Aft. 1909, Moved to Fosterton Area
More About HENRY ALLAN and MARIAN JAMIESON:
Single: 1916, Swift Current, Sask. Canada
Children of MARIAN JAMIESON and HENRY ALLAN are:
6. i. ARNOLD4 ALLAN.
7. ii. MARY ALLAN.
8. iii. GRANT ALLAN, b. April 12, 1917, Pennant, Sask.; d. August 12, 1951.
9. iv. AGNES ALLAN, b. August 04, 1920, Pennant, Sask., Canada.
v. WILLIAM ALLAN, b. Private. More About WILLIAM ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): Private
Generation No. 4
5. JAMES STRUTHERS4 SYKES (JANE WALLACE3 JAMIESON, HUGH2, HUGH1) He married
UNKNOWN.
Child of JAMES SYKES and UNKNOWN is:
i. VIRGINIA5 SYKES. 6. ARNOLD4 ALLAN (MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON, HUGH2, HUGH1) He married LOIS
BURNES Private. She was born Private.
More About LOIS BURNES:
Fact 1 (2): Private
More About ARNOLD ALLAN and LOIS BURNES:
Private-Begin: Private
Private-Ending: Private
Children of ARNOLD ALLAN and LOIS BURNES are:
i. DAVID5 ALLAN, b. Private. More About DAVID ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): Private
ii. ROBBIE ALLAN, b. Private. More About ROBBIE ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): Private
iii. BARBARA ALLAN, b. Private. More About BARBARA ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): Private
7. MARY4 ALLAN (MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON, HUGH2, HUGH1) She married
HOWARD SCARBER Private.
More About HOWARD SCARBER and MARY ALLAN:
Private-Begin: Private
Private-Ending: Private
Children of MARY ALLAN and HOWARD SCARBER are:
i. CLIFFORD5 SCARBER, b. Private. ii. HENRY SCARBER, b. Private. More About HENRY SCARBER:
Fact 1 (2): Private
iii. JO ANN SCARBER, b. Private. More About JO ANN SCARBER:
Fact 1 (2): Private
iv. SARAH SCARBER, b. Private. More About SARAH SCARBER:
Fact 1 (2): Private
v. BRIAN SCARBER, b. Private. 8. GRANT4 ALLAN (MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON, HUGH2, HUGH1) was born April
12, 1917 in Pennant, Sask., and died August 12, 1951. He married ADELINE
STEWART June 30, 1945 in ?. She was born Abt. 1920 in Calgary??, and died
Abt. 1995 in Calgary Alberta, Canada.
More About GRANT ALLAN:
Cause of Death: Car accident
More About GRANT ALLAN and ADELINE STEWART:
Marriage: June 30, 1945, ?
Child of GRANT ALLAN and ADELINE STEWART is:
i. JAMES5 ALLAN, b. Private. More About JAMES ALLAN:
Fact 1 (2): Private
9. AGNES4 ALLAN (MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON, HUGH2, HUGH1) was born August
04, 1920 in Pennant, Sask., Canada. She married THOMAS CONWAY LOW Private.
He was born February 1916.
More About THOMAS LOW and AGNES ALLAN:
Private-Begin: Private
Unknown-Ending: Private
Children of AGNES ALLAN and THOMAS LOW are:
i. MARGO5 LOW, m. DALE MILLER. 10. ii. JANET ELIZABETH LOW, b. June 02, 1953, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
Generation No. 5
10. JANET ELIZABETH5 LOW (AGNES4 ALLAN, MARIAN STRUTHERS3 JAMIESON, HUGH2,
HUGH1) was born June 02, 1953 in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. She married
FRANCIS CHARLES TURNER. He was born June 02, 1951 in Wainwright, Alberta,
Canada.
Children of JANET LOW and FRANCIS TURNER are:
i. CAITLIN ELIZABETH6 TURNER, b. January 03, 1984. ii. ANDREW GREGORY TURNER, b. May 26, 1988. iii. MARY-CLARE FRANCES TURNER, b. February 14, 1991. iv. BENJAMIN THOMAS TURNER, b. October 20, 1991. "Frank C. Turner" wrote:
>
> Dear Virginia, I Found you e mail address on the Jamieson list at
> http://www.users.on.net/proformat/sctnames3.html and thought I'd check
> for material on the ancestors of Marion Struthers Jamieson, B:
> Dunbarton, 1891 M: Henry Allan, 1916 Swift Current, Saskatchewan d:
> 1975 She was my wife's grandmother. Her parents: Hugh Jamieson B: 1851
> on an island in Loch Lomond, Stirlingshire Agnes Struthers B: 1852
> Carlyle, Scotland any conecctions or clues?
>
posted 4/25/00 so she may have given up hope!
Still cheerful, Virginia Hunter
To: "Frank C. Turner" <frankcturner@@yahoo.com>
Subject: AJ Duncan info
Add Addresses Hi, again
Looks like our communications were crossing the Rockies about the same
time - thank goodness they didn't collide!
From the birthdate (1855) of the William Jamieson reported by A.J.
Duncan it is possible that he was the brother of Hugh (1851) son of Hugh
(1813) and Agnes Gardner. The list of children of this union/siblings -
not necessarily in order - I have includes a William: Andrew, Agnes,
John Gardner ( who may have accompanied his brother Hugh to Canada
according to Agnes Low), Elizabeth, Hugh, Robert, Jane, Christine, William.
Let me know what you think.
Virginia
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:59:54 -0800
From: "A.J.Duncan" <duncanaj@@sympatico.ca>
To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@@rootsweb.com
Subject: Jamieson, Gardner
Posted on: Shire of Dunbarton, Scotland Queries Forum
Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Dunbarton/800
Surname: Jamieson, Gardner
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The closest I can get to your messages is William Jamieson B:1855, Alexandria.
Marr: 16th July, 1880.
Wife Ann Mcauley B: 1859.
They had the following children - Agnes Gardner Jamieson. B:5th Aug 1891
in Bonhill. Married Duncan Cameron 28th June, 1935. She died 7th Dec, 1971.
Second child was Maggie Jamieson. B: 1883. Alexandria.
Third child was Hugh Jamieson. B: 1886. Alexandria.
Fourth child was John Jamieson. B: 1890. Alexandria.
Any connection?
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