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Note: NI35868 Vital Event Marriage Registration
Groom Name: Mark Hammond Pounder Bride Name: Sarah Jane Brown
Event Date: 1904 5 5 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event Place: Vancouver
Reg. Number: 1904-09-050723 B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B11373 GSU Microfilm Number: 1983530
Went back to England with second wife Fanny in 1931 to live with his sister Charlotte Pounder Cooper. Probably for only a short time as he eventually ended up in Nottinghamshire.
Name:Mark Pounder Birth Date:abt 1871 Age:60 Port of Departure:St John, New Brunswick, Canada Arrival Date:14 Dec 1931 Port of Arrival:Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage:Belfast, Greenock Ship Name:Montclare Search Ship Database:View the 'Montclare' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line:Canadian Pacific Official Number:154964
Name: Fanny Pounder Birth Date: abt 1873 Age: 58 Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Arrival Date: 14 Dec 1931 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Belfast, Greenock Ship Name: Montclare Search Ship Database: View the 'Montclare' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Official Number: 154964
Name: Fanny Pounder Port of Departure: St John's, Newfoundland, Canada Arrival Date: 25 Nov 1911 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: St Johns, Newfoundland Ship Name: Almeriana Search Ship Database: View the 'Almeriana' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Furness Allan Line Official Number: 95520
---------------------------------- It is possible that Mark Hammond Pounder is not the child of James Pounder, but rather, could be the illegitimate child of Isabella Hammond. Mark was born either 1 month (1869) or 1 year (1870) after James Pounder married Hannah Amanda Young. HOwever, Hannah gave birth to twins in May 1870 so it cannot be Hannah's child. The only theory is that Mark is a child of James but was conceived out of wedlock, possibly in an affair with Isabell, or Mark is Isabella's child from a previous relationship. It is clear that Mark is Isabella's child, though, but not so clear if Mark is the biological son of James Pounder. Since both of Hannah Young's children were born in Newcastle, it appears as though Hannah left James and went home...this may be because he got another woman pregnant and she left him?? Both Charles, Florence and Mark are the same age or fairly close in age. ------------------------- 1911 census says b. Jun 1867 (Calgary: District 1: Twp 23: pg 47) Enumeration district description: 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 inclusive in ranges 8, 9, 10, 11 west of the 5th M http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1911a/e078/e001925415.pdf
His job is listed as 3-6-43 (industry code 3=civil and municipal service; class of worker 6= Employees, workers, operators, skilled workers; 43 (for industry code 3)= Government employee, N. S. (provincial)) What does NS stand for??? It isn't Nova Scotia as a number of positions list NS behind the job title. Says he is a caretaker of a Bath House
Province/Territory: Alberta District Name: Calgary District Number: 1 Sub-district Description: Townships 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 inclusive in ranges 8, 9, 10, 11 west of the 5th M Sub-district Number: 11 Additional Information: light writing smudged writing Reference: RG31, Statistics Canada Microfilm reel number: T-20326 Associated Images: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/001003-119.01-e.php?sisn_id_nbr=18733&interval=20&PHPSESSID=hdk6rsu3710qmcdcndj9fk0ff0 Page 47 or http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001925415.pdf
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1871 Census: Bolton 16 Back Clarence Street James POUNDER H M 29 Joiner Yorkshire Stokesley Isabella POUNDER W M 22 - Yorkshire Laverton Mark H POUNDER S - 1 - Middlesex London
Most records point to Mark b. 1869 not 1870, but not certain. In 1871 census, he was listed as 1 year old. If he was born Jun 1869 he would be 1 year and 10 months. If born in Jun 1870, he would be only 10 months old. The census was done April 2nd and it asked for age on the day the census was done. Thus b. June 1869, he would be 1 year old in April 1871.
This census does not state that Mark is a step son nor does it state his surname different from James, so at this point, I have to assume that Mark belongs to James Pounder and was an illegitimate child born probably in an unwed relationship with Isabella. It appears that he was likely in a unwed relationship with Isabella but he married Hannah in May 1869 in Lambeth, then Mark was born in Jun 1869 in Lambeth. His 2 children with Hannah were born April 1870 in Newcastle Upon Tyne (probably James and Hannah were separated by this point as James did not go to Newcastle Upon Tyne)...thus the twins likely conceived July 1869....but sometime between July 1869 and April 1871 (census time), he left Hannah and went to live with Isabella and his first son.
in FreeBMD - Mark Jopling b. Mar 1869 Lambeth - not him Mark Hannant - b. Jun 1870 Bethal Green - not him Mark Holland b. Sep Quarter 1870 Lambeth ---could this be him?? There is a Mark Holland in 1901 census listed as born in London, age 30. I think that Mark Holland is not the correct person either.
---------------------- Mark Hammond Pounder died 24 Oct 1955 Hawtonville Hospital Newark Male 86 years old Bricklayer (retired) 1(a) Coronary Occlusion 1(b) Arterio Sclerosis Informant J A Pounder, son Abbey House, Netley, Southampton ----------------------------
Address at time of death: 51 Hawton Road, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England ------------------------------
1906 Census: Banff, Alberta District #19, Calgary, Subdistrict #13, page 3, house 39 (Description: That part of the district of Calgary bounded on the east by the line between ranges 11 and 12 west of the 5th M, on the north [south] by the line between townships 29 and 30, on the west by the western boundary of the province, and on the south...)
Page/Hse/Row/Surname/Name/Rel/Sex/M.Status/Age/B.Place/ Immigration Year/Post Office/Sec.or Ward/Twp or St/Rge No./Mer
3/ 39/ 28/ Pounder Mark/ H/ M/ M /37/ ENG/ 1894/ Bk 10/ Lot 43 3/ /29/ Sarah/ W/ F/ M /37 /ON 3 / /30 /Albert/ S/ M /S/ Jan 1/ AB
-------------------- Just got a letter from Newark Cemeteries with map and location of the grave so will try and get there when down in Englandshire.
Mark Hamond (sic) Pounder died 24 October 1955 age 86 retired Labourer 51 Hawton Road, Newark
Elizabeth Fanny Pounder died 15 August 1945 aged 84 wife of Mark Pounder, 1 Tramway Cottages, Hawton Road, Newark
Grave 269E West Newark Cemetery Grave purchased by Albert Pounder ---message from Martin Briscoe --------------------------------------------------- Address in England before death of Mark Hammond Pounder was "Tramway Cottages, Hawton Road, Newark on Trent, Nottinghamshire" ---------------- Was a bachelor when he married Sarah Jane Brown -------------------- There is a Mark POUNDER working as a plumber in Bolton about 1894 so it is possible that he did not go to Canada with the rest of the family but they could have all returned from Canada by that date. "Mrs Lucy POUNDER" is shown at the same addres s in ab out 1899 so perhaps they were all living there.
***(This is the Correct Mark Pounder)*** ================================================= Transcription from the INGENEAS DATABASE Record #86709 ================================================= Year of Record: April, 1901 Name of Person: Mark Pounder Colour: white Sex: male Relationship to Head of Household: "waiter" Marital Status: single Birthdate: 18 June 1870 Age at Last Birthday: 30 Place of Birth: England Year of Immigration to Canada: 1890 (I think this is an error as he emigrated in 1894 according to 1906 census and he is in the 1894 records in England listed as a plumber) Racial or Tribal Origin: English Religion: Chur c h of England Profession or Occupation: waiter Earnings from Trade or Occup.: $144 Mother Tongue: English Address: 224 University St., Montreal, Quebec Summary of others listed in the household is as follows: Name Relationship to Head Age ---------------------------------------------------- Lawrence, Annie matron (head) 46 Page, William wait e r 19 Hash, David G. janit o r 38 Urquhart, Maggie cook 30 ---------------------------------------------------- Source: 1901 Census of Canada - Province of Quebec Reel No. T6533, District No.175 - Montreal, City, Sub-District: a-18 - St. Antoine ward, page 24 (National Archives of Canada, Ottawa) ====================================
MARRIAGE OF MARK HAMMOND POUNDER AND SARAH JANE BROWN
Mark Pounder was age 34, bachelor, occupation bricklayer , Born in London England, Residence Vancouver, B.C.
Father James Pounder, mother Isabel Hammond.
Sarah Jane Brown was age 36, (spinster), Residence Texada Island B.C., Born Ontario. Father William Brown, mother Jane Robinson.
They were married May 5, 1904 in Wesley Parsonage, Vancouver, B.C. The witnesses at the marriage were Matilda Baxter of Vancouver r , B.C. and Loyal Clyde True of Edmonton, Alberta
Mark Hammond married Sarah Jane Brown. Children James Albert. After 1916, Mark and son and new wife, Fanny, moved back to England when Sarah died in 1904. This was obtained from Canadian records. __________
I think this is Matilda Baxter, the witness:
William Franklin Farrow Place: Vancouver Reg. Number: 1905-09-049184 Bride Name Matilda Garratt Baxter Date: 1905 11 18 (Yr/Mo/Day) Event: Marriage Microfilm #: B11373 (GSU # 1983530)
This is Matilda in 1901 Census: Baxter William M Head W Mar 28 1852/ 49 Baxter Annie F Daughter S Nov 24 1878/ 22 Baxter Matildia F Daughter S Sep 10 1881 /19
Matilda Garrett Farrow Place Vancouver Reg. Number: 1957-09-007711 Date: 1957 7 11 (Yr/Mo/Day) Age: 76 Event: Death Microfilm #: B13233 (GSU # 2033183 ________________
Names: POUNDER , MARK HAMMOND Regimental number: 456 , 687685 Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 7936 - 6 Found at: National Archives of Canada http://www.archives.ca/02/02010602_e.html __________
The 687685 number indicates that your relative joined the 172nd Battalion from Kamloops, BC area. The 456 number could be from any of a number of units. Identical small numbers were issued early in the war from identical blocks of numbers given to many different units. Soldiers in the Canadian Expeditionary Force in the Great War were issued a number and retained their number as long as they remained in the CEF, unless they became commissioned officers in which cases they no longer required a number. Members of the 172nd Canadian Infantry Battalion did not serve as such "in the field" in France/Flanders as the 172nd was broken up for reinforcements when the 172nd reached England in November, 1916. Members would have retained their original number when they went on to other units in nearly every case (exceptions, such as some reinforcements to the PPCLI from 2nd Div battalions). I would suggest there is a possiblity that your relative enlisted and was given one number (likely the 456 number) and at some time was discharged and rejoined and was given a new 2nd number. I presume that you received the numbers from National Archives Canada at www.archives.ca and if so I wonder if perhaps the data base is really just two different people with identical names? It may be that the attestation paper is available on line for you to look at and download. Feel free to contact me direct at iedwards@shaw.ca Ian Edwards Sherwood Park, Alberta
1909.06.01 102nd Regiment, Rocky Mountain Rangers absorbed Rocky Mountain Rangers, with companies redesignated: E Coy at Kamloops, F Coy at Revelstoke 1912.03.01 independent company at Armstrong became G Coy 1912.05.01 RHQ moved to Kamloops, and companies reorganised: A Coy aat Kamloops B Coy at Kamloops C Coy at Armstrong D Coy at Revelstoke 1914.09 contributed volunteers to 7th Battalion CEF raised 172nd Battalion CEF 1913-14 new companies formed: E Coy at Kelowna, F Coy at Salmon Arm, G Coy at Vernon, H Coy at Penticton Company of Sharpshooters independent coy formed 01.04.1913 at Grand Forks 1920.04.15 disbanded 1920.03.15 The Rocky Mountain Rangers 1st Battalion [active], perpetuating 172nd Battalion CEF 2nd Battalion [reserve] 1921 reserve battalion disbanded, and companies reorganised (HQ at Kamloops): A Coy at Kamloops B Coy at at Salmon Arm C Coy at Armstrong D Coy at Kelowna. Moved 1928 to Revelstoke.
************************************************** Hercules Hall Road, Lambeth A-Z Ref 3A 78- Now Gone - Was where Cossar Street now is. Hercules Terrace, Lambeth A-Z Ref 3A 78- Now Gone- Was where Newton Terrace now is. <http://members.aol.com/WHall95037/londonh.html>
Mark Hammond Pounder died 24 Oct 1955 Hawtonville Hospital Newark Male 86 years old Bricklayer (retired) 1(a) Coronary Occlusion 1(b) Arterio Sclerosis Informant J A Pounder, son Abbey House, Netley, Southampton --------------------------------- 1911 census - Banff is located in Calgary District, Enum District 11, Twp 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 inclusive in ranges 8, 9, 10, 11 west of the 5th M. 1911 census in Banff says Fanny was born in Mar 1870 and age 41. ------------------------------------- Name: Mark H Pounder Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Isabella Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Little Bolton Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
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Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Little Bolton ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 246 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Pounder 22 James Pounder 29 Mark H Pounder 1 ------------------------------------ passenger transcript details Name:Mark POUNDER Date of departure:11 March 1932 Port of departure:Liverpool Passenger destination port:Halifax, Canada Passenger destination:Halifax, Canada
Date of Birth:1874 (calculated from age) Age:58 Marital status:Married Sex:Male Occupation:Engineer Passenger recorded on:Page 1 of 11
________________________________________ The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Fanny POUNDERPage 1 of 11View transcript ________________________________________ Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: MONTCLARE 145964 J Turnbull Canadian Pacific Saint John NB, Canada 11468 9723 214 ----------------------------- This sure looks like Mark Hammond Pounder...The original has no Pounder listed as surname....was he really a Mark Hammond and not a Mark Hammond Pounder????
Name: Mark Hammond Gender: Male Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Date of Arrival: 22 Sep 1894 Vessel: Vancouver Search Ship Database: View the 'Vancouver' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: C-4540 ------------------------- Mark Pounder Date of Trial: 14 Jan 1886 Trial Year: 1886 Location of Trial: Bolton, Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image
Occupation listed as plumber Copy of Bolton Quarter Sessions offence and judgement is attached Basically his crime was "housebreaking as accomplice" and his sentence was 2 months. He would have been 15 yrs old probably when he committed the offence if it had come to trial quickly but of course he could have been much younger than that if it had been delayed. It is not mentioned whether he actually went to prison. ------------------------- Name: Mark Pounder Date of Trial: 25 Jul 1891 Trial Year: 1891 Location of Trial: Botlon, Lancashire, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: Buggery Date of Execution or Release: Not Guilty --------------------- http://canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetailPrint.asp?ID=84217
Sapper Mark Hammond Pounder Regimental Number: 687685Survived War: Yes Force:ArmyRegiment:Canadian Engineers Battalion:Company: Enlisted or Conscripted: EnlistedPrior Military Experience: Yes Enlistment Date: February 1, 1916 Age at Enlistment: 42 Enlisted at: Kamloops, British ColumbiaAddress at Enlistment:Vancouver, British Columbia Civilian Occupation:CarpenterSaw Service in: Great Britain Date of Death: Age at Death: Cause of Death: SurvivedBattle Died/Wounded: Burial:Plot: Commemorated: Date of Birth: June 18, 1873Next of Kin: Mrs. Mark Pounder, wife, of Kamloops, British Columbia Place of Birth: LondonCountry of Birth: England Prisoner of War: NoInterned: Married:MarriedReligion:Church of England Height:5 Feet 6 Inches Chest:36 Inches Expansion:3 Inches Ethnic Origin: Caucasian
NAC Reference: ^ra7936-6
RankRegimentUnitCompany PrivateCanadian Infantry172nd Battalion PrivateCanadian Army Medical Corps1st Field AmbulanceB Section SapperCanadian Engineers
Awards and Decorations
Notes Prior military service of 10 years with 5th Battalion, Loyal North Lancashire Regiment; 6 months with 102nd Regiment, Rocky Mountain Rangers; and, with "B" Section, No. 1 Field Ambulance, Canadian Army Medical Corps, C.E.F.
Married Sarah Jane Brown at Vancouver, British Columbia on May 5, 1904. Research Notes
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