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Note: There is no doubt that Charlie Hobby's father was William (Bill) Hobby and his mother was Louise Hardy (see the 1880 census below and Charlie Hobby's funeral book). That William M. Hobby was Charlie Hobby's father is not yet firmly confirmed. Based on the entry in Barry White's grandfather's Bible, we need to somehow account for a William Hobby (b. 1809, d. 1864) married to Sallie Ellis (b 1812). Based on the death date of this William Hobby, it is impossible for him to be Barry White's grandfather's mother's father (Josephine Hobby White) since Josephine Hobby was not born until 1865. See Barry's theory outlined below. Note 7/2003.
The Bible of Walter White (son of Josephine Hobby White) states that his grandparents were William Hobby and Sallie Ellis. This information is in doubt, simply given the birth and death dates of William and Sallie. Perhaps William Hobby and Sallie Ellis are Henry White's great grandparents, or this information is inaccurate. At this point it is not a certainty that this William Hobby and Sallie Ellis are the ancestors of Charlie Hobby. Note 7/2003.
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The Georgia Marriage Index states that Louisa Hardy married William M. Hobby on 1/11/1852 in Pulaski, Georgia.
William M. Hobby found in:
Georgia, 1851-1900 Marriage Index Gender: Male Spouse: Louisa Hardy Marriage Date: Jan 11, 1852 County: Pulaski More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0177705 - 0177711, 1411614 & 1831717
This is the only marriage located in Alabama or Georgia for Louisa Hardy. Searched under Louisa, Louise, and Louiza; Hardy, Hardie, and Hardee.
There is no marriage record in the Georgia marriage index of William Hobby to a Louisa or Louise, except for William M. Hobby to Louisa Hardy. _________________________________________________________________________________
The 1880 Census of Headland, Henry County, Alabama, shows: William Hobby - 56, Born in Ga, parents born in Georgia. Loija (possible Louisa) - 45, Born in Georgia, parents born in Georgia. Richard - 19 Charles - 17 Josephine - 14 Matason (son) - 12 Sallie - 8 Elizabeth - 5
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Searched the 1870 Alabama, Georgia, and Florida Census records - no other William or Bill Hobby could be found. _________________________________________________________________________________
Email from Barry White April, 2003 - great grandson of Josephine Hobby White:
I got the names of WILLIAM HOBBY and SALLIE ELLIS out of my grandfathers personal bible, in his own handwriting. It is a very old bible like none I have ever seen before, with lots of pictures and maps bound in real leather that is falling apart and the binding has come loose it's so old. My sister has it now and I'm sure I will never get it, but my grandmother, bless her heart, did let me look at it all I wanted to when she was still alive. Since he is long passed on, I don't know how reliable it is. I'm sure he got the information from his mother Josephine HOBBY White. One can only hope. Here is exactly how it was written down.
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grandparents mothers side- BILL HOBBY = 1809-1864 SALLIE ELLIS= 1812-1884
I think this couple would be too old to be Charlie, Josie, Sallie, & Elizabeth's parents. The dates just don't match up.
Now here is what I figure if you'll kind of humor me a little bit. I think that maybe this BILL HOBBY is more like my grandfather Walter's great grandfather. His birth date being 1809 would slip him right in place between FRANCIS P. = b:1781, and WILLIAM M. HOBBY = b:1828.. It would make BILL HOBBY = b: 1809, only 19 years old when WILLIAM M. is born, and still old enough to be WILLIAM M.'s father. What do you think? I know this is stretching it a whole lot. But I think it's a possibility. Am I crazy or what? Ha... Anyway I was thinking that Francis P. is quite a bit older than MARTHA STURDIVANT although I didn't see a birtdate for her. I am also wondering if she is a second or third wife? But still FRANCIS P. could still be the father of BILL HOBBY=b:1809.. I know this is a really cracked way of thinking but it fits none the less. And I have no idea who my BILL HOBBY'S=1809, father is, but FRANCIS could be him, from a previous marriage.
I do think that William HOBBY & Louisa HARDY are the right couple to be the parents of our great grandparents. I feel that it explains the indian blood in our past, and it answers the question of a HARDY being the mother on Josephine's death certificate and gives her a first name of LOUISA. I know that Josie had a brother named Richard, Charlie, Tommy, and sisters named Sallie, & Elizabeth. It just fits together too good for it not to be.
Barry.......
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Conducted Nation-wide search through Genealogy.com Genealogy Library, which contains marriage records for the period from across the US, including Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Virginia. There are no records for a Sally/Sallie Ellis having married a Hobby. A marriage record was found in the Maryland index, indicating that a Sally Ellis married Henry White on June 17, 1828.
Also searched for Levi Hobby/Hobbie/Hobie in the 1860 Census for Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, as well as the entire US Census Collection with no matches.
11/03
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Email from Barry White 5/21/2003:
Wayne, I don't know about a -HENRY WHITE- nor do I have one in my file at all, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't be there. Because once again in my WHITE branch there also seems to be a missing generation or two. All I know, is about JOSIE HOBBY'S, husband "JOHN WHITE", b:1864, in Fla., d: abt. 1917 +- a few yrs., died and buried in Cottondale, Jackson Co., Fla.; and his father or grandfather (not sure which), JEFFERSON WHITE b:1813, South Carolina, d: 1863, pod: unknown?; Jefferson WHITE md: to Eliza/Elizor GRANT, b: 1819, n GA. d: 1884, pod: unknown?; But somehow I don't think she (SALLIE ELLIS) is tied in to the same family, but I've been wrong before. My thinking on this was that -SALLIE ELLIS- was tied in and married to the 'HOBBY Family', to William HOBBY. But I suppose anything is possible. You know those old pioneer families lived near each other, and moved to new territories with one another all the time.
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Email from Dayna Bellieu - Hobby Descendant - 7/26/03
Dear Wayne,
Question: Why do you think there is another William between Francis P. Hobby and William M. Hobby.
1840 Census F.J. (P) Hobby Georgia Pulaski M704-49 page 166 01110001 0011001
1 male between 5-10 J.L. Hobby age 18 enumeriated with with P.M Sturdivant 32 male GA,Rebecca 30 f. GA J.L.Hobby 18 this was the house right under F.P. Hobby (1850 census) 1 male between 10-15 William M. Hobby age 22 (1850 census) 1 male 15 to 20 unknown probably married by 1850 1 male 50 to 60 still capable of making babies 1 female 10 to 15 Sarah Hobby age 22 on 1850 1 female 15 to 20 unkown probably married out of house by 1850 1 female 40 to 50 She would have only been 35 when she had the last child
William M. Hobby marries Louisa Hardy 11 Jan 1852
At Charlie's death, someone who was upset gave the wrong names. The funeral, a few days later, the person who handled the funeral, much calmer now and probably another person, gives the correct name. My great grandmother, wrote in her bible, and wrote her father's name as Enoch Marion Doty. His real name was Marion Alexander Doty. The hand writting in the bible was shakey because she was old when she wrote it down. The Census and marriage records indicated his real name.
I have not found Willam on the 1860 census. Do you know where I can find him? What do you think of my theory. and have you found F.P. Hobby's "will" or William M. Hobby's "Will". Dayna
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There were two Willam M. Hobby's in the Confederacy from Alabama!
From the National Park Service Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System:
William M. Hobby (First_Last) Regiment Name 57 Alabama Infantry Side Confederate Company E Soldier's Rank_In Corporal Soldier's Rank_Out Corporal Alternate Name Notes Film Number M374 roll 21
HISTORY OF 57TH ALABAMA INFANTRY, COMPANY E 57th Alabama Infantry Regiment: Barbour - Dale - Coffee - Henry - Pike
This regiment was organized at Troy, in Pike, March 1863, as part of the brigade of Gen. Clanton of Montgomery. It was stationed at Mobile and Pollard till January 1864, when it moved to Demopolis. Brigaded there under Gen. Buford, (soon succeeded by Gen. Scott) with the Twelfth Louisiana, Twenty-seventh, Thirty-fifth, and Fifty-fifth Alabama and a Louisiana regiment, the Fifty-seventh joined the Army of the Tennessee in time to share fully the hardships of the Dalton-Atlanta campaign. The casualties of the regiment, however, were not severe till the battle of Peach-tree Creek, when it was cut to pieces. The Fifty-seventh participated in the movement into Tennessee, and at Franklin and Nashville its losses were again very large. Transferred to North Carolina, the regiment fought at Bentonville with severe loss. Its colors were there folded when the army was disbanded.
Name: William M. Hobby Company: E Unit: 57 Alabama Infantry. Rank - Induction: Corporal Rank - Discharge: Corporal Allegiance: Confederate Notes: Cobb, Guards, Ga. Inf.
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Name: William M. Hobby Company: C Unit: Cobbs Guards) Georgia Infantry. Rank - Induction: Private Rank - Discharge: Private Allegiance: Confederate _______________________________________________________________________________________________
Census analysis for William Hobby and Louisa Hardy
1850 Census Pulaski County Georgia F.P. Hobby - 69 - born in NC Martha Hobby - 53 - born in NC Wm. M. Hobby - 22 - born in GA Sarah F. Hobby - 22 - born in GA
John Hardy - 65 - born in NC Rhody Hardy - 55 - born in NC Spencer Hardy - 24 - born in GA Louiza Hardy - 14 - born in GA
1860 Census Henry County, Alabama Next door to Richard Hardy William Hobby - 34 - born in GA Louisa - 27 - born in GA Thomas - 7 - born in GA William - 5 - born in GA James - 3 - born in AL Richard - 1/12 - born in AL
1870 Census Henry County, Alabama Next to William Hardy and John Hardy Households William Hobby - 40 - born in GA Louisa - 36 - born in GA Thomas - 16 - born in GA William - 14 - born in GA Richard - 10 - born in AL Isaac - 8 Josephine - 4 Madison - 2
The 1880 Census of Headland, Henry County, Alabama William Hobby - 56, Born in GA; father born in South Carolina, mother born in Georgia. Louiza - 45, Born in Georgia, parents born in GA; parents born in North Carolina. Richard - 19 - born in AL Charles - 17 Josephine - 14 Matason (son) - 12 Sallie - 8 Elizabeth - 5 _____________________________________________________________________________________________
57th Alabama The 57th Alabama Infantry Regiment was organized at Troy, in Pike County, in March, 1863, as part of the brigade of Gen'l James H. Clanton of Montgomery. It was stationed at Mobile and Pollard until January 1864, when it moved to Demopolis. Brigaded there under Gen'l Abraham Buford (who was soon succeeded by Gen'l Thomas M. Scott) with the 12th Louisiana, 27th, 35th, and 55th Alabama, and another Louisiana regiment, the 57th joined the Army of the Tennessee in time to share fully the hardships of the Dalton-Atlanta campaign. The casualties of the regiment, however, were not severe until the Battle of Peach Tree Creek, when it was cut to pieces. The 57th participated in the movement into Tennessee, and at Franklin and Nashville, its losses were again large. Transferred to North Carolina, the regiment fought at Bentonville with severe loss. It surrendered there.
Field officers: Cols. John Porter Warner Amerine (Pike County; superseded); Charles J. L. Cunningham (Pike County; wounded, Franklin); Lt. Cols. James Walton Mabrey; William Calvin Bethune (wounded, Peachtree Creek); Majors Charles J. L. Cunningham (promoted); W. R. Arnold (Pike County; KIA, Peachtree Creek); James Horatio Wiley (Pike County); Adjutants John C. Judkins; B. H. Thrasher.
Please e-mail any corrections or comments to Tonia Porter toniab@knology.net . Last updated 8-29-00
Source: Compiled Service Records of Confederate Soldiers who Served in Organizations from the State of Alabama, National Archives microfilm
Scott's Brigade, Lorings Division Stewart's Corp
Co E July through October 1863 stationed at Camp Lee, Pollard, Ala
HOBBY, Wm M Corp Henry Co 2-18-1863
This regiment was consolidated about April 9, 1865 with the 27th, 35th, 49th and 55th Regiments Alabama Infantry and formed the 27th Regiment Ala. Inf (consolidated).
Compiled by Helen Bartlett and Tonia Porter, 1999. copyright The Silver TRUNK 1999,2000
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GEORGIA CIVIL WAR SOLDIER INDEX - Page 139 - Hite thru Hogans 89557-90201 Compiled and formatted by Keith Giddeon Info and F.A.Q. at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/military/gsi/index.html
GSI # LAST NAME FIRST NAME COMPANY UNIT SERVED ENROLL RANK DISCHARGE RANK GSI #
89807 Hobby William M. Cobb Guards, Georgia Infantry Private Private 89807
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