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  1. Ilbert (Payen) de Mondoubleau: Birth: ABT 1022 in Mondoubleau, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France. Death: 1110


Sources
1. Title:   Gen-Medieval Archives
Page:   File 488, May 22, 2003, Author: John P. Ravilious
Source:   SR235
Author:   SGM: soc.genealogy.medieval
Publication:   rootsweb.com
2. Title:   Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
Page:   Central France, Chapter 4. Comtes de Chateaudun, D. Seigneurs de Freteval
Source:   SR197
Publication:   http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/

Notes
a. Reference:   16 JAN 2014 21:08:42
Changedatetime:   21:21:25
Note:   FMG: CENTRAL FRANCE
  Chapter 4. COMTES de CHÂTEAUDUN D. SEIGNEURS de FRETEVAL
  NIVELON [II] [Paganus] (-killed in battle Fréteval before [1042/44]).  "Nobilem…Nivelonem" donated property by charter dated to [1041/48] which names "suus filius Fulcherius…fratres Girardus et Nivelo quem cognominant Paganum"[1625].  Seigneur de Fréteval.  A charter dated to [1042/44] records a donation to the abbey of Saint-Père by "matrona quondam Ermentrudis…uxor Nivelonis", the failure of her husband to confirm the donation after her death, his instruction on his deathbed to "filius eius Paganus" to confirm it, the death in battle of Pagan while retaking the castle of Fréteval from Geoffroy II "Martel" Comte d'Anjou, and the confirmation of the donation by "frater eius Fulcherius"[1626].  A charter dated 1085 before 6 Aug recalls the donation by "Nivelo Nivelonis filius", husband of "filiam Odonis Dublelli quondam Montis Dublelli domini", to La Trinité de Vendôme and the confirmation by "filius…Nivelo…cognomento Paganus", witnessed by "Burchardo comite…"[1627].  m as her first husband, HELVISE de Mondoubleau, daughter of EUDES de Mondoubleau & his wife Placentia de Montoire ([1020/25]-after 15 Mar 1075).  Her parentage and two marriages are confirmed by the charter dated to [1067/74] under which her second husband "Hamelinus de Longiaco, pariterque uxor mea…Helviza, filia Odonis Dublelli" donated "[ecclesiam] Sancte Marie…Tufiacum" to the church of Saint-Vincent du Mans, for the soul of "Hugonis Dublelli minoris filii…Odonis Dublelli" who was buried at Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "filii nostri Wauterii et filie nostre Hersendis, meique privigni…Ilberti qui fuit filius Pagani"[1628].  The issue is confused by a charter dated 3 Jun 1040, which records the donation by "Hugo Dublellus archidiaconus et Odo Dublellus frater eius" of "ecclesiam Sancti-Beati" to La Trinité de Vendôme, states that "Hamelinus de Langeia" succeeded as seigneur de Mondoubleau after the death of Hugues, that "eius uxor Adriena, soror Hugonis" wanted to rescind part of the donation, and that "Fredescendis filia Odonis Dublelli uxor Nivelongis Pagani, filii Nivelonis de Carnoto" wanted to rescind the donation after her husband was killed[1629].  If this document is correct, Eudes de Mondoubleau had two daughters, "Adriana" married to Hamelin de Langeais and "Fredescendis" married to Nivelon de Fréteval.  However, the charter dated to [1067/74] quoted above names a single daughter "Helviza" who was the wife of "Pagani", by whom she had "Ilberti", and secondly of Hamelin.  A more remote possibility is that there were two sisters, both of whom married Hamelin in turn.  The question is clarified by the charter dated 15 Mar 1075 which records donations by "Hugo filius Odonis Dublelli" and by "Hamelinus de Langeia", with the consent of "Adierna uxor eius, sororis…Hugonis", and states that Hamelin succeeded "in honorem Hugoni" after the death of the latter[1630].  This last document clarifies that Hamelin succeeded to Mondoubleau after returning from Rome which, the wording of the charter implies, was a relatively recent event.  If that is correct, there is insufficient time for Hamelin to have been married to two sisters, given that the supposed second sister was the mother of Ilbert by her former marriage.  The conclusion is therefore that the 3 Jun 1040 charter version of events must be incorrect, that Eudes de Mondoubleau had only one daughter, and that she was referred to as Helvise and Hodierna in different documents.  She married secondly Hamelin de Langeais.  i)        ILBERT [Pagan] (before [1042/44]-[1110]).  "…Ilberti filii Nivelonis, Fulcherii fratris eius, Girardi fratris eius…" signed the charter dated to [1046/64] under which "Gelduinus…vicecomes" donated a serf to Marmoutier[1631].  "Ildebertus cognomento Paganus filius predicte Helvise" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Vincent after he recovered "Montem Dublellum" by charter dated to [1080/1103][1632].  Seigneur de Mondoubleau.  [1625] Marmoutier-Dunois V, p. 6.  [1626] Chartes Vendômoises XXXIV, p. 51.  [1627] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome II, CCCXXV, p. 36.  [1628] Le Mans Saint-Vincent, Liber primus, 175, p. 105.  [1629] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, XLVI, p. 99.  [1630] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, CCL, p. 394.  [1631] Grandmaison (1865), LI, p. 49.  [1632] Chartes Vendômoises LIX, p. 82. 
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