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The Family Bible of David and Mary Watson Campbell.
Church records of the Lutheran Church of the Holy Trinity in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, includes the baptism of "John Campbell, born December 22, 1793, and Baptized March 30, 1794," the parent were David and Mary Campbell.
The Bible records.
"First, a son named John, born December the 22, 1793 on Sunday at two o'clock in the afternoon.
Second, a son named Jospeh, born December 4, 1796 on Sunday at 9 o'clock in the morning.
Third, a son born May the 10, 1798.
Fourth, a daughter May the 9th, in the year of our Lord, 1800.
Fifth, a son named Alexander born September the 10, 1801 on Thursday at 4 o'clock in the morning. Died April the 23, 1802 on Friday at 4 o'clock in the morning aged 7 months and 13 days.
Sixth, a son named David July 28 on Thursday 1803 at one o'clock in the morning.
Seventh, a son named Henry born September 1, 1805 on Sunday about one o'clock in the morning.
Eighth, (nothing written)
Ninth, (nothing written)
Tenth, a son named James born September the 18, 1807.
Eleventh, a daughter born December 24, 1809.
Twelvth, (nothing written)
Thirteenth, (nothing written)
Fourteenth, a daughter named Mary born August 13, at 6 o'clock in the evening in the year of our lord 1812."
27 July 1815. John Campbell, first son of David, married Mary (Maria) Wintersteen, daughter of Henry (Henrich) and Experience (May) Gingles Wintersteen.
<u>Tax records</u>.
1803 & 1804. David Campbell is recorded as paying personal and occupational taxes in Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania.
1806. David Campbell is identified as "nailor" paying taxes in Northumberland Co. [One who forged nails on the anvil was known as a nailor or naylor.]
<u>Land records</u>.
13 November 1802. David Campbell acquired 406.25 acres from John Meyer for 152 pounds, 5 shellings ($400 US) located in Shomokin Twp., (now Coal Twp.) on the waters of Shomokin Creek.
31 May 1815. David Campbell purchased 38.75 acres located in Columbia Co., Pennsylvania, from Henry Wintersteen for $200. [Said Henry was the father of Mary Wintersteen, John Campbell's future bride.]
13 June 1815. David Campbell sold the above 38.75 acres to John Deen, blacksmith, for $350.
17 March 1829. Legal posting in the Lycoming Gazette: "Sheriff's Sale, A tract of land which lies in Lycoming County and Columbia on the East, by land in the name of Hannah Montgomery on the North, with appurtenances, consisting on one small house and stable, with about 15 acres of cleared land, now or lately in the occupation of David Campbell. Seized, taken and sold as property of John Dildine. Thomas Hall, Sheriff."
9 June 1829. David Campbell of Franklin Twp., Lycoming Co., purchased 2 acres and 32 perches containing two houses and a shop located in Mahoning Twp., Columbia Co., from John Montgomery, miller of Mahoning Twp., Columbia Co., for $40 US currency.
27 March 1830. David Campbell, still living in Franklin Twp., Lycoming Co., sold the above 2 acres & 32 perches to Frederick Sweitzer of Derry Twp., Columbia Co.
<u>Census records</u>.
Pennsylvania Septennial Census, 1779-1863
Name: David Campbell; Residence Year: 1821; Residence: Mahoning, Columbia, Pennsylvania
Line 60, occopution heckelmaker. [German for hecklemaker, one who makes the hackles/heckles (combs) for combing flax.]
Line 61, listed Joseph Campbell, same occupation. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Correspondence with Tom Campbell and Don Ames
9 Oct 2018
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Hi Tom,
Concur. Here are my additional thoughts…
1. David wrote James born on 18 Sept 1807. Also he wrote his children’s records at the other page. [my note: some children without names may be dead young or at birth]
2. Someone else (possibly close to James, 2nd column, different handwritten) wrote James born on 29 June 1807. Either can be mistaken that we can’t say.
3. Marriages list. John Campbell and Mary Wintersteen (spelled appeared Winter-Stene) was written much later based on written “J”uly. I assumed.
4. At the same bible, I would say that David & Mary’s son James is the one who married to Anna Elizabeth Harris. Cousin James Brooks was married to Nellie H that was not mentioned in the bible pages.
5. 4 additional birth notes in David’s family records at later dates (Chide Rensy (sp), Ware N. Campbell, Sallie Eldora Campbell and Harry Meyer Campbell) probably are in David’s descendants as they might carry David’s bible. It should give clear idea which James was their ancestor? My ancestor is Joseph L. Campbell, David/Mary’s 2nd child.
Thanks again, Don
<b>From:</b> Tom Campbell <tcamp60@yahoo.com>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 9, 2018 5:24 AM
<b>To:</b> Don Ames <dames@cox.net>
<b>Subject:</b> Bible pages
Hi Don here are the bible pages along with Davids signature which was taken from acontract he had signed personally. The first page shows marriage of David and Mary then John and Mary Wintersteen. Also on this page is a James Campbell his wife and children. next page list shows the children of David and Mary and as you will see James has a different birth date. at least 3 different people have written in this bible. When I look at these pages it brings about confusion on the James versus James Brooks. If David wrote the original list of children it should be correct but I have no way of knowing. Look at his signature and compare to the writing in bible then draw your own conclusion as I can't say. Either way let me know what you think. Thanks, Tom Campbell
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Burke Campbell said: February 23, 2015<i>9:40 pm
</i>David Campbell, Lancaster Pa. I have a gggggrandfather (1) David Campbell married Mary Watson and lived in Lancaster Pa. David’s father another (2) David Campbell he also lived in Lancaster. On the land map on the site shows a James Campbell property next John Myers property and then James Campbell’s property. I’m trying to find out if My line is connected to either James or John Campbell. The (1) David & Mary (Watson) Campbell in 1802 purchased 400 acres in Shamokin Northumberland Co. from the above John Myers.
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Beth Campbell <belloq@gmail.com>
To Tom Campbell
10/28/15 at 2:44 AM
Hi, Tom! It is always nice to meet a cousin! And I think weare surely that -- I am descended from William Campbell, son of John Walter Campbell and Mary Wintersteen, brother of Caleb. He died in the Civil War (and married Mary English, Catherine's sister, so we are cousins on two sides).
I don't really have anything beyond that -- a lot of the information is my tree are possibilities I'm trying out, and really the Campbell information is conflicting and speculative past the John Campbell/Mary Wintersteen connection. I added a bunch of information to the tree based on other people's research, only to scrap it when I determined that much of it was impossible. I don't think those dates for David and his wife are correct, unfortunately. (Are you looking at the MyHeritage site or Ancestry?)
One thing we always heard from family legend is that our Campbells came from Kentucky. I cannot find anything that backs this up -- they seem to have come from New Jersey.
A few things I have found that give me some ideas, though:
The Wintersteens (who are a bit easier to trace) were from Somerset, New Jersey, where several Campbells were living in the 1700s. There is a Robert Campbell who married a Catherine Cunningham and may have been father to an Alexander and Archibald Campbell in Sussex, New Jersey, and who also may have had a son named David -- possibly one of our Davids? There are alot of conflicting unsourced genealogies out there. I have a couple of DNA matches to (purported) descendants of this Robert and Catherine, but who knows if the genealogical research is sound there.
Alexander and Archibald Campbell of Sussex are interesting to me because they fought in the Revolutionary War in Captain Jacob Ten Eyck's company ... along with Jacobus Wintersteen, grandfather of our Mary Wintersteen Campbell. They owned land in the same part of New Jersey and fought in the same company in the war
And at some point I read ... an excerpt from an old book? A posting on a genealogy forum? I can't find the source now, but a notation that the Campbells and Wintersteen families had been very close in New Jersey and emigrated to Pennsylvania together. I know there is a Rachel Campbell who married Phillip Wintersteen; I don't know if she is one of ours or not.
Some other avenues I've looked at without any satisfactory conclusions:
I had some DNA matches to the descendants of a Patrick Campbell of Westmoreland, PA. I have no idea how that fits in.
I am sure you have seen the Campbell genealogy site. I found this page in particular promising -- David the father of John who married Mary Wintersteen was supposedly born in PA, according to census data -- I wonder if he is the younger David mentioned here, with his father being the elder David who is the deceased brother of this Patrick Campbell. I think the dates and location fit, Pure speculation, but there are a couple of well-documented David Campbells who passed through PA around that time (on their way south) who are definitely NOT our ancestor. These two Davids never left PA, it seems.
https://campbellgenealogynotes.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/patrick-campbell-of-lancaster-co-pa/
Have either you or Burke done the Y-DNA testing? My father is still living and I have two brothers and a nephew in the direct male line, but none of them have done any DNA testing.
Thanks for writing and sorry I am not of more help!
Beth Campbell
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Hi Don the date on my David I believe is wrong I think its 1767 as Burke has it and the death date I know is not right we have never found a true date on his we do not know what happen to him or when all we know for sure Mary came to Starky early 1830 If I remember right I found her in a census 1832 in Starky boys living with her but no mention of David some have said he did come here others say no no proof ether way the confusion on birth date comes from what I heard that a son said he was born 1770.I had in the tree abt 1770 because of this I should change it or enplane it better I'd love to have a copy of your thru lines. funny thing about the cm matches I have 3rd cousin a no match on cm or it must be below the 3.0 at first I thought some monkey business but I was wrong he was matching other family members so I did some research and found out its not uncommon because of the rate of mutations between different people that where the marker test come in handy they mutate at a much slower rate I found one article that said cm it can completely wash out after 4 to five generation I have noticed a big difference in say cousins that are the same relationship to me be like 30 with one and 7 with the other. My mother side of the family I get much higher numbers than on my fathers side.
take care
Butch
On Tuesday, July 28,2020, 10:12:50 PM EDT, <dames@cox.net>wrote:
Hi Butch,
Thank you for the Trulines images. I see why we don’t cross each other on Ancestry DNA Match. My David Campbell was recorded as birth before 11 Jul 1767 based on his baptism record. Yours with 1770.
For GEDMatch, my FTDNA test T130926, Ancestry test A404768. I find our DNA Match with under 4.0 cM for largest segment.
Anyway, I don’t know if you want Trulines on my Joseph L Campbell to David Campbell. It is pleasure talking to you over this James matter. You have helped me to get better understanding why there are two James mixed up.
Good night, Don
Comparing Kit T130926 (Don Ames)[Migration - F2 - T] and T170414 (Butch Campbell) [Migration - F2 - T]
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<b>From:</b>Butch Campbell <butch_b_campbell@yahoo.com>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:39 PM
<b>To:</b> DON AMES <dames@cox.net>
<b>Subject:</b> james
Hi Don
I have 100 percent confidence with Robert Watson I also have DNA matches with his wife Rebecca Thompson's family if I did the screenshots all right you should be able to see them.
I had my DNA tested back in 2002 with FTDNA 12 marker then upgraded to 67 about 2 years ago, Had it done on Ancestry within the last year Burke is also on FTDNA 67 Ymarker we match 67 out of 67 perfect match at that level its funny though in the CM we match 4.0 on GED com. the matches below are from Ancestry. he does not show a match too me they only show 6.0 or above Tom Campbell in Michigan is also from John as Burke is. on Ged I match Tom with 3.2 Toms brother Ken I have a 6.6 match His other brother I think was a 7.7 also 67 out of 67 Y on these three brothers. Jo Anderson I have a 122.0 match on FTDNAand a 108.7 on GED I have both test on GED T170414 FTD test AG6865814 Ancestry.
I have know Burke for many years hes the one that told me about the bible and there being 2 James I had never heard of the other one before.For John Walter I have B 12/22/1793 Lancaster Pa d. 4/18/1881 Shunk Pa.
have a good night
Butch
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Note: Research Notes: Sources of information of David's marriage and children
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