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Note: Name: Roger Captain DUDLEY
BIBLIOGRAPHY:
Roberts, Gary Boyd, Ancestors of American Presidents, First Authoritative Edition. Santa Clarita, CA: Carl Boyer, 1995.
Roberts, Gary Boyd, Notable Kin: an anthology of columns first published in the NEHGS Nexus, 1986-1995. Boston, MA: NEHGS, 1998. NYPL APK 98-1109 v1/v2.
Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2004. NEHGS REF CS55/R56/2004.
Taylor, Nathaniel, Gov Thomas Dudley of MA. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/15/1999-102549. Subject: Re: Gov Thomas Dudley of MA. Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1999-01/0916413949. Author address: ntaylor at fas dot harvard dot edu.
Taylor, Nathaniel, Gov. Thomas Dudley and the Sutton-Dudleys?. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/4/1997-231518. Subject: Re: Gov. Thomas Dudley and the Sutton-Dudleys?. Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1997-10/0876024918. Author address: ntaylor at fas dot harvard dot edu.
Utzinger, David, SUTTON/DUDLEY. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/31/1998-063148. Subject: SUTTON/DUDLEY. Available at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/1998-03/0891354708. Author address: UTZ at aol dot com.
Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992.
RESEARCH NOTES:
The Dudley family was discussed at length in an (as yet) unpublished work by Marshall Kirk of the New England Historic Genealogical Society, who concludes (after reviewing the seven other proposed candidates for the father of Capt. Roger Dudley), that this is the only scenario that fits all the known circumstial evidence of Capt. Roger's apparent descent from the baronial Sutton-Dudleys. Mr. Kirk's work is the basis of this line's inclusion in Faris, though Faris didn't publish the discussion--just the line. Thus while it remains unproven, it is a provisional line supported by current scholarly analysis, though that analysis has not (yet) been widely disseminated. [Ref: Nat Taylor SGM 1/15/1999-102549]
Birth: Abt 1550
Sources for this Information: date: abt 1550 [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 3/31/1998-063148], parents: Captan Sir Henry Dudley & dau or step-dau Christopher ASHTON [Ref: Nathaniel Taylor SGM 10/4/1997-231518] Sir Henry DUDLEY & ___ ASHTON [Ref: Roberts NotableKin v1p44]
likely but not proved, Henry DUDLEY & ___ ASHTON [Ref: Roberts RD600 p214, Roberts USPres p200], father: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 3/31/1998-063148], note: parents presently unknown [Ref: Weis AR7 #81]
Death: 1585
Sources for this Information: date: [Ref: Weis AR7 #50] before Oct 1588 [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 3/31/1998-063148]
Father: Sir Henry Captain DUDLEY b: Abt 1517 Mother: (Unk) ASHTON
Marriage 1 Susan THORNE b: Mar 1559/60 in Yardley-Hastings, Northampton c: 5 Mar 1559/60 in Yardley-Hastings, Northampton
Married: 8 Jun 1575 in Lidlington, Co Bedford
Sources for this Information: date: [Ref: Weis AR7 #50], place: [Ref: Weis AR7 #50], child: [Ref: David Utzinger SGM 3/31/1998-063148, Roberts RD600 p214, Roberts RD600 p216, Roberts USPres p200, Roberts USPres p201, Weis AR7 #50]
Children
Thomas Gov DUDLEY b: Oct 1576 in Yardley-Hastings, Northampton c: 12 Oct 1576 in Yardley-Hastings, Northampton
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Name: Roger Dudley , Capt.
Birth: ABT 1552 1
Death: 1586 in possibly Siege of Zutphen, Holland 2
Event: Parentage Ref. FG260
Some earlier sources give Roger's death as occurring at the Battle of Ivry, which occurred Jan. 11, 1590, e.g. Ref. FG19. I am suspicious that he was killed at the battle of Zutphen which took place Sept. 22, 1586, but I have no proof of this. Ref. FG260 makes this same speculation. That Roger was already dead by 1590 is borne out by the fact that Susan Thorne Dudley, Roger's wife, is mentioned as a widow in her father Thomas Thorne's will dated Oct. 29, 1588, FG260.
There are two leading possibilities for whom the parents of Capt. Roger Dudley might have been, but neither can offer proof, but only circumstantial evidence. These are
(1) Capt. Henry Dudley, b. abt. 1517 and ______Ashton, b. Unk. and
(2) John Dudley, b. abt 1528 and Elizabeth Leighton, b. Unk.
The circumstantial evidence in favor of Capt. Henry Dudley is presented in the following excerpt from Ref. FG260 (p. 125, 2nd ed.): " The best clues [to Roger's father's indentity] remain (1) that the will of Gov. Thomas Dudley included a seal of the baronial Sutton-Dudley arms differenced with a crescent [see FG19] ( i.e., indicating descent from the second son of a Sutton-Dudley baron), (2) that the known associations of Thomas as a young man are with individuals from families with prior connections with Capt. Henry Dudley, and (3 )that American descendants of Thomas Dudley as early as 1820 believed they were descendants of John, Duke of Northumberland (also a crescent bearer, and who had two sons named Henry in the generation to be father of Roger, the American descendants were unaware that both Henrys, 3rd cousins of this Capt.Henry, are known to have died as young men without issue). The only second son of a baron of the appropriate generation from whom a descent [for Roger] was possible is this Capt.Henry Dudley whose children, however , if any, are unknown." Capt. Henry Dudley is the second son of John Dudley, the 8th Sutton Dudley Baron, RIN2506.
The circumstantial evidence that Roger Dudley could be the son of John Dudley, RIN1370,and Elizabeth Leighton, RIN1371, is stated in FG193. Here Mrs. George Elmendorf uses the circumstances of dating, location, and Dudley family associations in order to place Roger as the son and first child of John Dudley, who was the "Serg. of Pastry" in Queen Elizabeth First's household and son of Simon Dudley who was the illegitimate son of Sir Edmund Dudley, Chancellor of the Exchequer to King Henry VII. The latter Dudley was a descendant of John Sutton VI, Lord Dudley, 6th Sutton Baron of Dudley, and who also is a common ancestor to Capt. Henry Dudley. That is, both parentage options show Capt. Roger as a descendant of John de Sutton, VI, RIN2500, and Elizabeth Berkeley, Also, there is some speculation that Roger might have been the illegitimate son of this same John Dudley, RIN1370, by an Named partner, FG194, FG191.
Mrs. Elmendorf, in Ref. FG193, stated that in 1771 Isaac Heard, Herald, who was at the Assizes of Stafford, Eng. examined the Coat of Arms of John Dudley, RIN1370, and wrote "The Arms and Crest of Dudley (excepting the error in the Crest viz. a Ducal Crown, as it should be a Viscounts Coronet with pearls p[ro]p[e]r ) granted 1588 (31 Elizabeth) to John Dudley, Serjeant of the Pastry, son of Simon Dudley of Elmley Lovett, Co. Worcester." This was confirmed in Ref. MS2, "The General Armory," Burke, pub. Harrison, London, 1884, which lists the following: "DUDLEY (Elmley Lovett, co. Warwick, and Hackney, co. Middlesex; confirmed, 1588, to John Dudley, of Hackney, son of Simon Dudley, of Elmley. Har. MSS.). Same arms, a bordure az. Crest--Out of a viscounts coronet or., pearled ar. a lion's head az. 'collared gold.' "
The item "Same arms" is believed to mean the entry immediately above it in the list which is "DUDLEY (Co. Stafford) or., two lions pass. az. My interpretation of this is that John Dudley's arms were not the earlier Baron-of-Dudley arms which were "or., a lion ramp." Gov. Thomas' seal, see FG19, uses this Baron-of-Dudley arms with a crescent which could indicate descent from a second son, Capt. Henry Dudley, of a Sutton-Dudley Baron, namely, John Dudley, 8th Baron of Dudley, RIN2506 (Ref. FG260).
This overall analysis points in the direction of Capt. Henry Dudley as the father of Capt. Roger Dudley, father of Gov. Thomas Dudley. Thus, my data base is set to show Capt. Henry Dudley as the father of Roger.
Father: Henry Dudley , Capt. b: ABT 1517
Mother: Unknown Ashton b: UNKNOWN
Marriage 1 Susanna Thorne b: 1560 in Yardley-Hastings, Eng.
Married: 8 JUN 1575 in Lidlington, Bedfordshire, Eng. 3
Children
Thomas Dudley , Gov. b: 1576 in Northamptonshire, Eng. Mary Dudley b: 1580 in Yardley- Hastings, Eng. Sources:
FG191, FG192, FG260 Title: FG Repository: Media: Book Page: 260 FG189, FG192, VC49, FG260
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Roger Dudley (born between 1535 and 1545 1586?/1588?) was an English soldier.
Dudley was born in London, England, and may have been baptised in Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire. Dudley's parentage has never been satisfactorily established. Genealogist and researcher Marshall Kirk in 1993 published the results of his exhaustive survey of the Sutton Dudley families, and came to the conclusion that Roger was the son of Henry Sutton Dudley[citation needed].
Roger may also be the Roger Dudley who was matriculated as pensioner at Christ Church College, Cambridge, in 1566, but left without a degree[citation needed].
It is believed that Roger married, on 8 June 1575, at Lidlington, Bedfordshire, Susannah (née Thorne), herself recorded as having been born on 5 March 1559/60 in Northamptonshire, and baptised at Yardley Hastings, the daughter of Thomas Thorne and Mary Purefoy, (the Purefoys being of noble descent).[1]
He is reported to have been a Captain in the Earl of Leicester's militia, fighting with a commission from Elizabeth I, and under the banner of Henry of Navarre. He was thought to have died at the Battle of Ivry, France in 1590[citation needed]. However, the Reverend Cotton Mather of Boston wrote: "Thomas Dudley's father was Captain Roger Dudley, -- slain in the wars, when -- his son, and one only daughter were very young". The will of Thomas Dorne (Thorne) of Yardley Hastings, Gent., dated 29 Oct 1588, bequeathed "to the children of Susan Dudley, my Daughter, widow, £10 to be equally divided". (S1,S11). Therefore, Roger was dead at the time of the will of his father-in-law, which, written in 1588, eliminates the Battle of Ivry as a possible date for his death. It is most probable that he died at the Siege of Zutphen in 1586, having followed his kinsman, Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester, who was a principal figure in that battle, which also claimed the life of Leicester's nephew Sir Philip Sidney.
Marshall K. Kirk suggests that Roger made his home after his father's death with Peter Grey, a "Queen's servant", whose manor of Segenhoe was two miles from Lidlington, (Bedfordshire), where Roger was later married.
Roger and Susannah Dudley left either five[citation needed] or two (Thomas and a sister orphaned children. [2]:
Thomas Dudley (second governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony)
Mary Dudley
Richard Dudley (b. 1583 d. 20 Aug 1603)
Dorothy Dudley
David Dudley
Susannah is recorded as having died in 1585 during childbirth, at St. Dunstan's, London[citation needed] and her name appears again three years later in a will, dated 29 October 1588, (Probate 9 May 1589), in which Thomas Thorne bequeaths... "to the Children of Susan Dudley, my Daughter..." (etc.)[citation needed]
Roger and Susannah Thorne Dudley's children sired a vast progeny in America[citation needed]. Among many others who founded or were pillars of early New England communities, William Dudley, a son of David, was the first of this line in the family of the lords of Dudley to move to Connecticut, where he founded the settlement of Guilford on the shores of Long Island Sound[citation needed]. He emigrated to New England sometime between 1636 and 1643, a period corresponding to his uncle Thomas's political ascendancy in Massachusetts.
Three of William Dudley's great grandsons were to give their family name to their new home in the Cornwall hills, when they moved to Owlsbury from Guilford in the mid 17th century. Owlsbury was renamed Dudleytown, and thereafter the persistent legend of America's most haunted town was born.[citation needed]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Dudley
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